Wednesday, 10 June 2009

AND SO IT CAME TO PASS.

JERSEY “JUSTICE” FAILS THE CHILDREN -

AS PREDICTED -

BEFORE WE WERE EVEN AWARE OF THE COVERT POLICE INVESTIGATION.


In a moment of exhausted trawling through my mass of records, files, e-mails and other information – I came upon the e-mail I reproduce below.

It was, of necessity, a long e-mail.

I wrote it on the 15th November 2007 – over a month after I had been given the bullet as Health & Social Services Minister – and – before I and the people I was working with were aware of the covert police investigation into historical abuse.

I wrote the e-mail with two things in mind, back then.

Firstly - that there would – inevitably and unavoidably – be a need for police investigations; decisions on prosecutions; and court-cases – both criminal and civil.

Secondly – that the Jersey police force, prosecution system and judiciary would betray the survivors – just as that apparatus had – so many times before – if left to its own devices.

Which is why I wrote the e-mail below to the Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police Force; to the Attorney General; to the Bailiff and Deputy Bailiff; and to the Magistrates.

By that date – 15th November, 2007 – I had discovered and learnt enough about the Jersey Child Abuse Disaster to realise that we had a catastrophe on our hands.

Well, actually, I had come to that conclusion some months earlier - in April or May 2007. Which is why I was covertly working with survivors and whistle-blowers throughout most of the year, in an effort to compile a substantial dossier of evidenced cases to thrust upon the States of Jersey Police Force.

Why was it necessary to assemble the evidence to give in substantive form to the police?

Because, as will be plain from the e-mail below – I had every good reason to have recognised the Jersey police force to have been a substantial part of the problem – over the decades.

But – and please note this crucial point – survivors and I were making that assessment based on the traditional, past “performance” of the Jersey police – the incompetence, the bias, the politicisation, the cronyism, the concealment of crimes – indeed, the out-and-out corruption routinely exhibited by the force over a sustained period of decades.

However – we failed to take into account the professionalism, integrity, ethics and honesty of the then leadership of the Jersey police.

Graham Power and Lenny Harper.

Both tough, straight, no-nonsense cops of the highest calibre.

So – when reading the e-mail below, please discount my criticisms of the police force – at least in the context of when it was led by Lenny and Graham.

Indeed – the only single one of the people I addressed the e-mail to – from whom I received a professional and civilised response – was Graham Power – who replied the very next day.

It was a day or so later that I was asked to attend the police station – though no reason was given. I went with resignation – imagining the oligarchy were trying to stitch me up with some fabricated nonsense.

Instead Lenny Harper and another senior officer spent around two hours explaining to me the covert investigation they were undertaking into all the concealed child abuses of the past.

I can’t really describe how I felt at that moment – the best I can do is say it was as though a mountain had suddenly been lifted from my shoulders.

Suddenly – ten months of nightmare and disgusting political warfare upon the survivors and me seemed to end.

No longer were we alone – no longer were we facing years of struggle to expose the truth. Now – we actually had a straight and decent police force on our side.

But, as true as that was at that moment – we all know what happened – in the end.

The investigation was obstructed at every turn by the Jersey oligarchy; baseless smear-campaigns were mounted against Lenny; eventually they even – with brazen illegality – suspended Graham Power.

Oh how our hopes have been dashed.

Despite the best efforts of highly dedicated, tough, straight cops like Lenny & Graham – the decadence, immorality, corruption, concealment and self-interest of the Jersey oligarchy wins – again.

Forgive the length of this post, but the e-mail below is an important document in this wretched history.

I desperately wish it wasn’t so – but sadly every concern I expressed on the 15th November 2007 has come to pass.

And worse: - Birt is Bailiff – Bill Bailhache is Deputy Bailiff – and so the whole, wretched, self-perpetuating cess-pit of turpitude and failure continues.

The tragedy for this community is that the dangers were all so easily predicted – before we even knew of the covert police inquiry.

Stuart.

From: Stuart Syvret
Sent: 15 November 2007 20:18
To: Graham Power; William Bailhache; Bailiff of Jersey; Michael Birt; Ian Le Marquand; Ian Christmas
Cc: [Cc’d names excised.]

Subject: The Rule of Law & Child Protection in Jersey


Gentlemen

I write concerning the present examinations of the standards and performance of Jersey's child welfare and protection apparatus. I am including the Lieutenant Governor as a recipient to this e-mail, given the UK government's ultimate responsibility for the rule of law, the administration of justice and of good government in Jersey.

Although this e-mail is, of necessity, long, all I require from each addressee is a simple yes or no answer to the questions I ask at the end of this text.

Earlier this year, I began to become more and more dissatisfied with the performance of child welfare and protection services. I first made these concerns public in an oral answer in the assembly to a question from Deputy Judy Martin. Following this, and various concerns I was raising within the department, various civil servants, who understood perfectly well their inadequacy, set about engineering my removal from office.

However, since early summer up to the present, I have been researching the various issues in great depth. This has included speaking to very substantial numbers of people, including teenagers, young adults, parents, older people and front-line staff. This work is continuing - and looks as though it will continue for some time, such is the nature of the material.

This brings me to my point in writing to you.

I have no doubt whatsoever - and this is a view shared by experts from the UK who are advising me - that a variety of criminal offences against children have been committed, over a sustained period of time, by the States of Jersey through its various departments, and the Crown, through the Courts. Moreover, I am increasingly of the view that not only are we considering a variety of unlawful practices, conduct and policies of the state, but also prima facie criminal offences committed by individuals employed by the States.

The scope and scale of the offences clearly involves every arm of the state; the executive, the legislature and the judiciary. I will explain why this is obviously so in more detail below. But in essence, the situation is this: all three arms of the state are deeply and inescapably conflicted in these matters. This would not be the case in a large nation-state, but in a very small self-governing jurisdiction such as Jersey, the conflicts of interest are boundless, obvious and inescapable.

Personally, I find it very difficult to imagine how some criminal investigations and prosecutions could not now take place. And in the interests of possible victims, in the interests of the good administration of justice, and in the interests of Jersey's reputation - any arising criminal investigations, prosecutions and trials cannot now be carried out by the relevant local agencies.

The Police Force is conflicted, what passes for a prosecutory service in Jersey is conflicted, and the judiciary are conflicted. These conflicts exist for both specific reasons, and also for certain general principles.

I do not believe the island has any choice other than to commission a specialist team of police officers from an unconnected force in the UK to investigate any and all complaints; no choice other than to invite the Department for Constitutional Affairs to assign a suitably qualified person to act as Crown Prosecution Agent; and no choice other than to invite the DCA to assign a Judge or Judges to hear any trial.

1: The Conflictedness of the Police.

During interviews with teenagers, young adults and their parents, it is alleged that various assaults, unlawful conduct and abuses of children under both the Children (Jersey) Law 1969 and the Children (Jersey) Law 2002 have been committed by the police on various occasions.

The police force appears to have not comprehended the fact that the legal requirements to protect, and safeguard the welfare of children does not cease to exist merely because the child in question has committed an offence. This, it would appear, has led to the fairly regular use of excessive force against unruly, drunken or abusive children. I have had reports of worse; of incidents which appear to be little more than violent assaults. To refer to just one victim as an example: arresting a drunken and abusive girl in the police station foyer by the method of dragging her across the floor by her hair. The same child on another occasion was arrested for drunkenness and was actually lifted off the floor by a male officer by the handcuffs around her wrists. The same girl was also re-arrested when due for release from Greenfields after 2 weeks on remand - and held for another 4 weeks in an attempt by officers to make her confess to a breaking and entering offence they needed to clear up. Whilst in the custody of the police, the police have "parental responsibility", as defined by law, for any child so held. I have had several accounts of this legal obligation not being met. To take just the female referred to above, on one occasion she was held in a police cell overnight, locked in despite her heavy state of intoxication, the cell call-buzzer was switched off, she was unable to call for water, her mother was not permitted to see her when she came to the station, no female officer dealt with her, her period began in the night and she had no sanitary product available to her. When she was eventually released to her mother in the morning, she was severely dehydrated, ill, exhausted and covered in blood from her period. It should also be pointed out that people in a heavily intoxicated state can die if left unattended, usually through such mechanisms as choking on vomit. That this didn’t occur in this case is more down to luck than judgement.

This is but one example. There appears to be a cultural view that the unlawful maltreatment of children somehow becomes acceptable if they have committed an offence. So widespread and so persistent does this culture appear to be, that it is, frankly, impossible to imagine the States of Jersey Police Force carrying out an acceptably objective wide-ranging enquiry into its own long-term conduct.

2: The Conflictedness of the Prosecutory Service.

In Jersey, decisions whether to prosecute are ultimately made under the authority of either the Attorney General or the Solicitor General. As has already been accepted by her and the Attorney General, the Solicitor General is conflicted as she has also been the legal adviser to the Children's Service for many years.

As far as the Attorney General is concerned, some time ago when I was Minister for Health & Social Services I sought from him (I still have the correspondence) the full police report and its six appendices into the abuse scandal at Victoria College. My reason for needing this information was that I was examining what went wrong in that case, whether the then current law was defective, how it compared to our present Children Law – and whether what we were doing today – in the light of the Bichard Report – was adequate. It proved immensely difficult for me to obtain anything from the Attorney General. After much persuasion he eventually sent me a version of the police report – with no appendices – but the version was so redacted as to be utterly useless. Indeed, it contained far less information than that contained in the Sharp report – which he knew I possessed already. I was not, therefore, properly able to consider this key material with a view to ascertaining what went wrong and why only one prosecution was mounted. The Attorney General's actions in behaving in this way actively obstructed me in my lawful work under the Children (Jersey) Law 2002 in that I was not able to carry forward my investigation into improvements in child protection, and the relevant legislation. This obstruction of the lawful duties of the Minister for Health & Social Services, as defined in the Children (Jersey) Law 2002, may well have been unlawful.

In any event, it certainly matches a pattern of "political" decisions made by both the present Attorney General and his predecessor. The present Attorney General is noted for his "political" interventions. For example, his recent political interference with the work of a Scrutiny Panel in respect of the lawfulness - or otherwise - of the present prosecution and trial procedures engaged in by the honorary police and the Magistrates Court. It appears likely that the present procedures are not human rights compliant - or rather were not human rights compliant, given the Attorney General's very recent instruction to change procedures. Were it to be found that the procedures were not human rights compliant, the implications for the reputation of Jersey and of its ability to properly pursue the rule of law would be severe indeed. It could, for example, lead to many people - perhaps hundreds from over the decades - seeking to have their conviction at the Magistrates Court overturned on the grounds that their right to a fair hearing was compromised. The Attorney General has even been publicly quoted as saying that the disclosure of the Cooper opinion "would not be in the public interest" - a political comment if ever there was one.

It is also the case that, having repeatedly exhibited such concerns for the public image of the States of Jersey, the Attorney General could hardly be relied upon to set aside such political considerations and instead view his prosecutory duties entirely impartially in the present controversy. Quite obviously, the reputational fall-out for the island's oligarchy from any widespread prosecution of States departments and of individuals employed by the States would be very considerable and very serious.

It is entirely feasible that many of those children, many of whom are now young adults, who have been convicted of offences will now seek to have their convictions considered unsafe given the human rights issues arising out of the somewhat bizarre prosecution arrangements, and for other reasons too.

The Law Officers in general are also conflicted for this reason. As well as providing a prosecutory service, they also routinely act as legal advisers to both the island’s parliament and the various executive departments. Whilst this of itself is clearly unsustainable, what is the proverbial 'man on the Clapham omnibus' supposed to make of the likelihood of these senior establishment figures - actually prosecuting the very departments and executive they routinely give legal advice to? No reasonable person could see them as meeting a reasonable test of objectivity.

A further - and in some ways even more insurmountable conflict - is this. It is plain that many States departments have - for very many years - been breaking various laws in respect of the care, protection and welfare of children. Obviously and inescapably so. Therefore one of the most pressing and obvious questions is this: ‘why has neither the Attorney General or the Solicitor General ever correctly advised the relevant departments that their practices were unlawful? Why have no departments been prosecuted?’ It is plain that much - perhaps even a great deal of - the culpability for the States of Jersey engaging for decades in policies which were unlawful lays with the Attorney General and the Solicitor General.

Therefore, for the Attorney General and the Solicitor General to undertake any widespread prosecution of States departments would be to effectively put themselves on trial as well. Possibly as defendants; certainly reputationaly. Not a sustainable or credible situation.

We also have to consider the long-term record of the Office. The previous Attorney General - now Deputy Bailiff, Michael Birt - in fact exhibited all of the politicised and conflicted behaviour I describe above. As is plain from the now widely distributed Sharp report, the now Jurat Le Breton, who, at the time was Vice Principle, should have been prosecuted at the time of the child abuse scandal at Victoria College. Just as should the Principle. Just as should Francis Hamon, a Governor of the school at the time and a person who went on to become Deputy Bailiff. Just as, of course, should Piers Baker, the man who thinks paedophilia is "teachers perks". Whilst a strong case could be made for the prosecution of Le Breton, Hamon, Hydes and Baker for attempting to obstruct the course of Justice, the relevant Law, prima facie breached, was the then current Children (Jersey) Law 1969.

I quote Article 9 here:

9 Cruelty to children under 16

(1) If any person who has attained the age of 16 years and has the custody, charge or care of any child under that age wilfully assaults, ill-treats, neglects, abandons or exposes him or her, or causes or procures or permits him or her to be assaulted, ill-treated, neglected, abandoned or exposed, in a manner likely to cause him or her unnecessary suffering or injury to health (including injury to or loss of sight, or hearing, limb, or organ of the body, and mental derangement), he or she shall be liable to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years, or to both such fine and such imprisonment.


Le Breton, Hamon, Hydes and Baker should have been prosecuted for breaking this part of the Law. Unambiguously so. At best, all four of these creatures ‘caused’ or ‘permitted’ the children to be ‘assaulted, ill-treated, neglected, abandoned or exposed in a manner likely to cause him or her unnecessary suffering or injury to health’.

No such prosecutions took place. It is plain that Michael Birt placed the "reputational" considerations of the Jersey Establishment above the proper protection of children - and above the rule of law.

But this was not the only example of political considerations overriding the rule of law. When Attorney General, Michael Birt also abandoned a prosecution for very serious offences.

The case I refer to was the prosecution of Mrs Jane Marie Maguire and Mr Alan William Maguire. The Act of Court records that the prosecution was abandoned on the 20th November 1998.

"Her Majesty’s Attorney General declared that he abandoned the prosecution against Alan William Maguire and Jane Marie Maguire on the ground that there was insufficient evidence to support it.
The Court therefore discharged the said Alan William Maguire and Jane Marie Maguire from the prosecution and, by virtue of Article 2(1)(c) of the Costs in Criminal Cases (Jersey) Law, 1961, ordered the payment out of public funds of the costs of the defence".


The Maguires were routinely beating, abusing through grotesque punishments, neglecting and treating with great cruelty many of the children that passed through the “group home” they ran at the time for the Education Committee, which body had responsibility for child “protection” at the relevant time (1980s to mid-1990s).

When I was Minister for H & SS, just one of the many issues I had recently had drawn to my attention by whistle-blowers was the case of the Maguires. I requested access to the relevant files. I read the two very substantial lever arch files and one smaller ring-binder file. The evidence contained in these files seemed absolutely compelling. Many witness statements, affidavits of victims, statements from other members of staff, an “internal” report from 1990 by Social Services, which concluded that the actions complained of were happening (though the “performance” of Social Services in this matter is another question entirely) and, essentially a catalogue of utter savagery against the children.

Yet Michael Birt concluded that there was “insufficient evidence” to continue the prosecution. The evidence described many children being routinely – over a period of years – beaten with fists, implements and other items which were used as weapons against them. They were frequently made to eat soap. They were made to drink Dettol. One child had his head smashed violently against a bunk bed frame. One of the part-time support staff witnessed Mr Maguire throw a child a distance of about 7 feet across a room to impact against the wall because the child was not tidying up to Maguire’s satisfaction. Psychological and emotional cruelty and abuse were routine. A female child resident was sexually abused by Mr Maguire.

Most of these offences were evidenced, and witnessed by former victims and junior staff members – and yet the then Attorney General claims to have had “insufficient evidence” to mount a prosecution?

It just won't wash, I'm afraid.

Clearly - to have prosecuted the Maguires would have been to expose to outrage and contempt a States of Jersey department for permitting the abuse to continue for a decade, and to have acted unlawfully in not informing the police the instant the abuse came to the department's attention. Further, the department would have been viewed with even greater contempt and disgust by the public when it became known that Mrs Maguire was kept in employment by the department for some years afterwards - working in the Child Development Centre! It would, of course, also have meant exposing to contempt and disgrace that Establishment icon, Iris Le Feuvre, then President of the relevant Committee who happily went along with all this in 1990 and, moreover, wrote a quite sickening letter of "thanks" to the Maguires.

It is plain that the failure to see through the prosecution in this case represents a complete breakdown in the rule of law. An abandonment of justice in order to protect the "reputation" - such as it is - of the Jersey Establishment. The victims of the Maguires were denied justice.

In case you do not remember the relevant documents, I attach to this e-mail copies of the Sharp Report into the Victoria College abuse scandal, the 1999 H & SS report into the Maguire case, and the associated letter from Iris Le Feuvre.

I'm afraid the facts make it plain that the people of this island of Jersey cannot rely upon this prosecutory service delivering the expected protections normally afforded by the rule of law. At least not when the reputation of the Jersey Establishment is at risk.

There can be no possibility of the necessary test of the appearance of objectivity being met by the Jersey prosecutory service in respect of any possible prosecutions arising out of these grotesque failures by the States in child welfare and protection cases. We must invite the DCA to appoint a special prosecutor who has no association with the island.

3: The Conflictedness of the Judiciary.

It is not even remotely possible to conclude that the Jersey judiciary could realistically be involved in hearing, and adjudicating upon, any case arising out of these child welfare and protection issues.

It is, for example, plain that the Jersey Magistrates Court has been acting unlawfully for many, many years in its approach to imprisoning children; using remand, as a de facto sentencing device, failing to deliver the requisite 'fair hearing' as required by the ECHR - and, perhaps most seriously, actually assigning and prescribing the type of accommodation which remanded or sentenced children would be held in. For example, specifying they be held in a cell at Les Chenes or Greenfields, as opposed to a bedroom. This was through the device of designating the child as a "Status 1" or a "Status 2" prisoner. Status 2, being those who were allowed to mingle with other child inmates - and Status 1 being the isolation regime, which included very substantial amounts of punitive and coercive solitary confinement. Solitary confinement when used in this way is classified as torture by international convention, it is deeply harmful and damaging to children, it is unlawful. To treat children in this way has been for the Courts and the States of Jersey to be committing straightforward criminal offences against children. This is institutionalised abuse.

The Status 1 cells - quite contrary to the impression the Minister for Education sought to portray - until recent times had unpainted cement walls with no furnishings. The bedding consisted of a school gymnasium-type crash-mat on the floor. Even this would be removed during the daytime. One of the cells, cell 4, did not even have an eye-level window, but merely a high, inaccessible skylight.

As explained above in the context of the prosecutory conflicts, the facts show that the Deputy Bailiff , when Attorney General, has - on more than one occasion - demonstrated himself to attach far greater importance to protecting the image of the island's oligarchy, over and above the rule of law and the protection of children. Indeed, it is entirely feasible that his very position should be brought into question following the full public exposure of these issues.

The Bailiff too, cannot be seen to be objective. He too is conflicted. The reasons for this are several. He is one of the individuals who needs to face questions over his past failure to protect children from paedophiles. For example, when he was Attorney General, he failed to take the appropriate action to prevent the paedophile Roger Holland from joining the St. Helier honorary police. Holland went on to abuse children whilst a parish police officer.

The Bailiff was also the Chairman of the Board of Governors of Victoria College during the early phases of the child abuse which eventually lead to the conviction of Jervis-Dykes. The paedophilic activities of this man were brought to the attention of the School leadership again and again - yet he was allowed to remain in post and committing abuse for years before - eventually - being arrested and charged. Again, this is a matter that should be investigated, and upon which the Bailiff should be required to answer some serious questions.

As already pointed out above, it is plain from the now widely distributed Sharp report, that the now Jurat Le Breton, who, at the time was Vice Principle, should have been prosecuted at the time of the child abuse scandal at Victoria College. His actions, along with the Principle, were disgraceful - scarcely believable. He and the Principle - instead of contacting the police at the very first hint of abuse, instead made a clear attempt to humiliate and intimidate some of the victims into withdrawing their complaints by disbelieving them, questioning them in a school office environment - and doing this in front of other people! These actions were a prima facie breach of Article 9 of the Children (Jersey) Law 1969, as quoted above.

Were all this not bad enough, we must recollect that Le Breton deemed himself a fit person to sit in Judgement on the then St. Helier Constable Bob Le Brocq who had had the misfortune to have the paedophile Holland as a member of his St. Helier honorary police force. The Superior Number of the Jersey Royal Court on this occasion being led by the Bailiff, who pronounced the judgment. It, apparently, not occurring to him that Victoria College had tolerated paedophiles amongst its staff when he was Chairman of the Board of Governors. In addition to the Court records, the events of the Le Brocq trial are explained in the front-page lead news story of the Jersey Evening Post, dated 27th February 2001. That Le Breton had the sheer gall to be in Court for this occasion beggars belief.

Perhaps the fact that Le Breton was a Governor of Les Chenes goes some way to explaining the unlawful and abusive regime which existed there.

The position of Le Breton is completely untenable.

It would also take a deeply fanciful construct to maintain that any of the Jurats could be considered sufficiently remote and impartial in these matters. All are friends and colleagues of the Bailiff and Deputy Bailiff; friends and colleagues of the Attorney General and Solicitor General. But in particular, all are friends and colleagues of Jurat Le Breton. It is well established in respectable jurisprudence that people cannot be a part of a jury if they personally know any of the key actors in a case.

All of the Jurats fail this test.

Moreover, each and everyone of the Jurats is drawn from the traditional ranks of the island's Establishment. As detailed above - an Establishment that puts its own interests - the protection of its image, and of its power - over and above the pure consideration of the rule of law, should the oligarchy be threatened in any way.

Given the above facts, it is plain that we are dealing with the customary failing of public administration in Jersey. This being the habit of tolerating incompetence, derelictions of duty, institutional inadequacy and disgraceful mal-conduct - so when things begin to get exposed - every relevant person and agency shares the same collective interest in the cover-up and in the oppression of dissent.

Politicians, the police force, the Attorney General, the Solicitor General, the Bailiff, the Deputy Bailiff, the Jurats, the Magistrates - essentially the entire panoply of agencies, have a shared, substantial and very, very serious collective interest in burying all of the above-described past issues - and certainly all of the forthcoming issues - which are going to be exposed - whether Mr Williamson wants to do it or not.

In the case of this long-term, sustained cultural failure to properly protect and defend children, the entire edifice of public authority in Jersey is on trial. It, therefore, has an inescapable self-interest in again sabotaging the rule of law and engineering another cover-up.

It is a fact well established by centuries of respectable jurisprudence that not only must the administration of justice be impartial – it must also be seen to be impartial. No aspect of the current policing, prosecutory or judicial apparatus in Jersey could remotely hope to meet this test in respect of the child protection issues arising out of the present episode.

Although the Jersey Establishment is heavily characterised by its overweening arrogance, megalomania and invulnerability, sooner or later, even it will have to face facts. The year is 2007 - not 1897.

My question to each of you is simple:

1: Would each one of you please confirm to me that you recognise the hopeless level of conflictedness of each of your services, and that you agree to invite the Department for Constitutional Affairs to independently appoint the necessary and relevant agencies from the UK to undertake any necessary police investigations, prosecution, and to hear any relevant trial?

Thank you for your assistance.


Senator Stuart Syvret
States of Jersey

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Anonymous said...

Child abuse scandal at Victoria college and I am not talking of Jarvis Dykes.
This happened in the days when our present day oligarchy were students at Vic or elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Has the Department of Justice in the UK got a copy of this email, if not why not?

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Oh yes - Jack Straw's Office has all this evidence - and more besides.

He simply isn't interested - he just doesn't give a monkey's.

Instead he - and his frankly unemploayble and ethically bankrupt minions - are content to support the traditional Jersey regime.

Some UK campaigners say to me, 'Jack Straw is a good man - he will do what is right."

No - he isn't - and no - he hasn't.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

Jack Straw is the man behind the labour party's sinning mirror and has been since 1997.

TonyTheProf said...

On the jurats:

http://www.scrutiny.je/documents/pubhearings/38187-9351-30102006.htm

"Oh, gosh, you are going to get me into hot water now if I give an honest answer....The jurats are an excellent institution and long may they remain. The sensible, wise people of experience who make decisions of fact are working alongside a professional judge...In fact, if I had my own way I would have all trials dealt with by jurats and would abolish the jury trials."

Ian Le Marquand as Magistrate to Scrutiny in 2006, saying he would like to get rid of trial by jury!

Helder Sousa Domingos said...

Of course !

Anonymous said...

After reading this post I went back to read again your very first blog posting. As should be clear to anyone who reads these postings, you have pretty accurately predicted the end results nearly every time. What an utterly precictable level of legal corruption you face.

Anonymous said...

Stuart,

It is clear to me that the UK government and the crown is complicite in the break down of law and order in Jersey. The wretchedness of how your beautiful Island has been and continues to be governed is shameful beyond belief.

The sooner the good people in the UK get rid of this awful fascist government the better. I beleive or like to beleive that a new UK government would offer the Jersey people some hope at gaining redress. Jack Straw and the rest of the evil war mongers are a disgrace and have no crediability left.

They are a laughing stock and a deep embarassment to UK people.

Please hang on in there and take care.

Anonymous said...

Stuart

Whats happening about Graham Power?.

If he is ruled to have been suspended illegally then will he return to his former position?.

What,if anything,from the NSPCC?-they are very quiet about this state of affairs.

Thanks.

voiceforchildren said...

Stuart.

It's time to take to the streets!!

Anonymous said...

Stuart, you are a self-serving joke. Read back through your e-mail. The main point of the email is to highlight "conflictions."
You know deep down that you are a twisted individual surrounded by yes men. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a knighthood, if i were you.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

I let the comment above through, just as an example of the type of mindless abuse I receive from time to time.

It also makes for a quite fascinating commentary on the “thoughts” and “ethics” of the Jersey oligarchy.

I’m the only States member to fight to expose all the child protection failures – yet clowns like this - and those few, sad individuals who use PJ – regard decade upon decade of concealed child abuse to be a comparatively trivial matter – instead preferring to use the vast majority of their commenting time repeatedly writing what bastards people like me and Lenny Harper are.

Still – no big surprise really – given that I now know at least four of the individuals involved in those pro-concealment campaigns have engaged in some – err – rather embarrassing use of rent boys over the years.

“Dirty runners”, anyone?

Suddenly, the rabid – and otherwise inexplicable - hostility towards exposing child abuse – has an explanation.

I know one or two of the individuals involved would be profoundly embarrassed in their careers were such activities to be disclosed – even if the boys involved were just of the legal age of consent.

In any event – returning to the comment – whoever wrote it is obviously a moron, incapable of grasping the point.

Yes – my e-mail was all about confliction – because that was the issue I was concerned with.

The point I was making in the e-mail was that the Jersey apparatus is hopelessly disbarred from dealing with the child abuse issues because of the conflicts of interest.

Very strongly evidenced grounds for a reasonable suspicion that the apparatus would not perform objectively and impartially.

And – even more strongly – actual, direct, evidenced, well-documented examples of direct real conflict of interests besetting many of the key, powerful individuals involved.

I knew then that the Jersey apparatus - even if it actually – by some miracle – started acting ethically and professionally – couldn’t hope to succeed in meeting the test of the appearance of objectivity.

Indeed – it was plain to me by that stage that the Jersey apparatus simply could not - and would not - be impartial and objective in dealing with the child abuse disaster.

Which I why I wrote then that the whole issue should be handed over to the UK justice apparatus.

Predictably – this perfectly reasonable point was dismissed.

And – sure enough – letting the Jersey shysters deal with the issue has resulted in yet another catalogue of cover-ups, lies, concealments, denials of justice and corrupt let-offs of abusers.

Just as I predicted back in 2007.

Stuart.

Advocatus Diaboli said...

All that and you're still here! That's the thing they can't gainsay.

Nice one Stuart.

Zoompad said...

"Oh yes - Jack Straw's Office has all this evidence - and more besides.

He simply isn't interested - he just doesn't give a monkey's."

I showed Jack Straw proof that the secret family courts have been influenced by an American paedophile psychologist, and that tens of thousands of UK children are being put at risk in these secret kangeroo courtroom trials, but he wasn't bothered about that either.

He wrote back to me, and whilst he didn't exactly lie to me in his letters, he didn't exactly tell the truth either.

Jack Straw is a national disgrace, and I have to say that Gordon Brown is a national disgrace too, because he has surrounded himself with vermin who do not give a monkeys about children being institutionally abused.

I thought Gordon Brown would be a good Prime Minister - I read his books and thought, if a man can write those things, about courage and righteousness, then he must be a decent man.

I feel livid about being taken for a ride. These men are knowingly allowing child abuse to take place, in this country, even now! They KNOW those secret courts are getting children - and they will not move a muscle to stop it!

All they need do is to make it so that anyone can attend these courts, that would prevent the abuses that are taking place in those hellholes, the forced adoptions of children, the labelling of so many parents who are NOT child abusers with MSBP and other psychobabble labels!

That's how they are getting the children now! It's driving me barmy knowing this and not being able to stop it.

Zoompad said...

"I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a knighthood"

I'm butting in here, but I don't reckon Stuart wants one anyway.

Considering many of the other knighted peers, it could be considered a dishonour to get a knighthood these days, rather than something to be proud of.

Pardon me if there are certain HONEST and DECENT peers reading this, and I am sure that there is at least one who is - I would never want to paint everyone with the same brush, as you know.

Zoompad said...

"What,if anything,from the NSPCC?-they are very quiet about this state of affairs."

It is very good to look at the board of directors and annual reports, to check to see if there are people working for organisations who may have conflicting interests.

That's what I do these days, and the results have proved to be very illuminating.

Just because an organisation states that it is working in the best interests of children, doesn't mean to say that people should take that at face value. There should be independant scrutiny of child protection agencies - even the gigantic ones.

Anonymous said...

what is the difference between our Atorney General deciding on which cases pass the "evidential" and "Public interest" criteria and the Crown Prosecution Service doing exatcly the same thing.

In the case of the CPS some faceless/nameless individual makes the decision.

In Jersey, love or hate the decision at least we know who made it.

Anonymous said...

Stuart wrote-
"Still – no big surprise really – given that I now know at least four of the individuals involved in those pro-concealment campaigns have engaged in some – err – rather embarrassing use of rent boys over the years.

“Dirty runners”, anyone?

Suddenly, the rabid – and otherwise inexplicable - hostility towards exposing child abuse – has an explanation.

I know one or two of the individuals involved would be profoundly embarrassed in their careers were such activities to be disclosed – even if the boys involved were just of the legal age of consent".

Name them Stu!.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Name them?

Patience.

All in good time.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

"Does anyone have the link to an article that was on the net a few monts ago, regarding the Bonners?"

Why? Who are you? What do you want it for? Sorry, but some people find it hard to trust others and need explanations before giving out info!!

Anonymous said...

Look at the leaders, sanctimonious hypocrits,

Shaking in their shoes now wishing they were bloody well dead.

Isn;t it grand boys that they will bloody well get caught.

Look at those abusers, using the rent boys, the beans have been spilled now.

Isn;t it grand boys that they have been caught out.

Look at the people, people asking for justice, taking to the streets now.

Isn;t it grand boys that there day will come.

A deviation from a song sung by the Clancy brothers and Tommy Makeham.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

A comment above asks ‘what’s the difference between our Attorney General deciding which cases pass the evidential test, and the CPS doing the same?’

Got to be one of the dumbest questions posted here.

The answer is to be found in the question itself.

The reason the Jersey AG cannot be seen to be objective and impartial in these issues – and the Crown Prosecution Service could – is precisely because Bill Bailhache knows many of the individuals in the frame; especially – for example – the many senior civil servants, police officers and assorted members of the judiciary – who have covered-up child abuse in the past.

He is further conflicted in having mutually exclusive roles. As a Law Officer he routinely advises the executive on “legal” matters; for example – advising the Cabinet what they should say and not say – what they should do and not do – in order to minimise the scope and scale of compensation claims, reputational damage to the States and general fall-out from a true public exposure of the issues.

He then goes back to his office – and decides whether to prosecute the self-same cases which he has just been advising his fellow oligarchs how best to minimise.

Now – no doubt Barking Bill believes himself to possess super-human powers – but the truth is, he’s a fallible human being – and cannot, therefore, properly separate out these conflicting roles when making the decisions.

The Jersey AG also routinely gives “legal” advice – and makes Political speeches in the States – in which his partisan political views are routinely displayed.

In the UK a Crown Prosecutor would not - for one moment – be involved in determining questions on prosecutions – if they were beset with such massive conflicts of interest in those particular cases.

And, in any event, CPS staff do just that – determine such matters as charging and prosecution. They do not have these mutually exclusive duties.

Another fatal flaw in the Jersey apparatus – there is no appeal mechanism.

In the UK, if a regional prosecutor decides not to prosecute an alleged offence, the alleged victims can draw the matter to the attention of the Director of Public Prosecutions and seek to have the decision re-considered.

Victims in Jersey have no such appeal avenue.

Additionally – in the UK, ultimately, an aggrieved victim, or their family, can mount a private prosecution.

In Jersey, private prosecutions are not possible in law. Well – not for the time being anyway.

So what Bill decides – with all those Political and personal considerations flowing through his mind – is what Bill decides. And that’s that.

No appeal – no higher authority.

And – in the case of Bill Bailhache – and before you ask, I have pointed this out to him on several occasions – he is personally conflicted from any involvement in the case of the McGuires. Of course – he, with all the predictable arrogance and hubris – has dismissed such points – and has made the decision himself to let off the McGuires.

The law firm that was representing the young victims back in 1998 was Bailhache LaBesse. The survivors were utterly betrayed by that firm – totally let down and failed.

THE Senior Partner of that grossly professionally negligent law firm that so shockingly failed to properly press the interests of its young clients?

You’re there already.

One William Bailhache.

So that is the answer to your question.

The fundamental point is that the administration of justice has to not only be impartial and non-conflicted – it has to meet the higher test of appearing to be impartial and non-conflicted.

Which is precisely why it most certainly should be faceless, nameless, unknown individuals who make such decision.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

"Look at those abusers, using the rent boys, the beans have been spilled now"

The 'for rent' boys and girls mere children abused and degraded all their lives I suspect. Evil abusing bastards!

Zoompad said...

Look at who is involved in the NSPCC Full Stop campaign.

Anonymous said...

good answer....

it was a rhetorical question aimed at clarification for the likes of Chris Bright (not so bright)

Anonymous said...

The UK Governments response to an on-line petition about the Baby Peter tragedy in the London Borough of Haringey can be read at [url]http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19548[/url]

Its a shame the UK government doesn't take any responsibility for safeguarding the children of crown dependancies!

Anonymous said...

MARIO MCGUIRE

voiceforchildren said...

Chief Ministers Press release.

The Chief Minister, Senator Terry le Sueur, has welcomed the appointment of Mr William James Bailhache, QC to the position of Deputy Bailiff of Jersey.

"The process to appoint a successor to Mr Michael Birt has been open and thorough," the Chief Minister said, "and I am delighted that Her Majesty has agreed to approve the appointment of Mr William Bailhache."

He went on "I would also like to express my appreciation to Mr Birt for his excellent work during his time in office. He has served islanders with determination and commitment since he was appointed Deputy Bailiff in 2000 and I wish him success in his new role."

The Queen, on the recommendation of the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, has approved the appointment of Mr William James Bailhache, QC as Deputy Bailiff of Jersey in succession to Mr Michael Birt.

Mr Bailhache will take up his appointment in November 2009.

Anonymous said...

uk on line petition - so why not let's start an on-line petition on
behalf of the abused of Jersey. I live in the UK and am more than happy to put my name to such a petition. I would do it myself but not too sure how to word it so that it would have the desired effect.

Stuart has my email address if anyone would like to do this.

Anonymous said...

PS : It really would be best if one of the Care Leavers started this petition going - it would have more effect.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Actually - I'm not sure who you are - as I have loads of people I'm in e-mail contact with.

Could you give me a clue?

Thanks

Stuart

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Actually - I'm not sure who you are - as I have loads of people I'm in e-mail contact with.

Could you give me a clue?

Thanks

Stuart

Anonymous said...

I'm getting confused with all these promotions.

So, the old AG and Deputy Bayleaf (WB and Birt) have been promoted up the chain to Dpty B and B, now that WB's big bro PB is off the scene?

Who's the new AG then - or going to be?

Does the Solicitor General move up the chain to become AG? Is that Tim Le Cocq or is Wikipedia out of date?

The Thinker said...

Hello everyone,

I've often heard a rumour that the higher echelons in power do not pay tax.

Could anyone please provide any information as to how much tax the Baliff, Deputy Baliff, Attorney General and Lieutenant Governor pay, or is this not in the greatest interests of our supremely transparent oligarchy?

I imagine that this information should be in the public domain - the law books must have something of this kind lurking in their dark pages.

Regards,

Ryan M

Proud Survivor said...

Yes a petition please. I know loads of people who would sign in UK.

And yes to the person who enquired if there are any more Bailhaches available for office. I think there is at least one sister but she will probably have a married name now. She would be in her 60's by now.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Hi - yes, I know who you are now.

A great ally of our cause.

Thanks

Stuart

Anonymous said...

I see we have another signature on the EDM bringing it up to a total of 20. Which is really quite good given UK MPs are going through their own bad time at the moment.

This does however confirm that the UK do "care" about Justice in Jersey, enough to put their sigature to the EDM. It is important that we, as supporters of All Abused children, should keep this in their minds.

By mouting a petition to Downing Street, this petition could be sent to all MPs - they may not put them name to it but they will be more than aware of the seriousness of child abuse.

Whenever a child is in the care of the Local Authority, Educational Establishments, Childrens Homes etc., they have local parentis care for those children, as do school govenors, who are responsible for the well being of all children in any of these establishments. If those children are abused it is the responsibility of the Police on mainland UK to investigate abuse and charge those responsible for their disgusting criminal activity.

I realise it is not the same in Jersey, however the more I read, the more I realise how those Powers at B who are comprimised in any way should NOT be the ones responsible or the summonsing of offenders. The offering of a monetry settlement is confirming the guilt of those perpetrators.

Justice is what is needed in a court of Law, which is not comprimised by a Jury who may show allegience to the Powers at B, to show the community and those who were abused this is a henious crime and punishment should be imprisonment. Then those who have been abused should be compensated for the damage it has done to their lives, the effect it has had on their lives and the effect it will have on their futures. It is very rare that someone who has been seriously abused manages to go through life without it affecting them.

The serious cases of abuse on Jersey should be placed in the hands of the UK Police, those offenders should be put before a Jury who have no connection with the Island, only then will true Justice be seen to be done. This is the only way Justice can be seen to be done.

Hear endeth todays epistle.

Anonymous said...

How much longer would have the Bailhaches, and the Birt carried on deceiving the public of Jersey, and commanding total power? If the most gifted politician of our time, (and the internet) had not desperately tried (and is finally succeeding), to root them out?

Anonymous said...

My God, isn't it time we did something positive.

To all the States members:
When will you listen?
When will you question?,
When will you act?
Why are you allowing this to continue?

Please stand up and start taking control.

Anonymous said...

I just tried to leave a comment on Helder Sousa Domingos blog, sadly it would not let me.

Another good person working in the background for the Right of Justice. There are many more than we think.

Anonymous said...

I think you might find people's tax bills are private. I know that people like Michael Birt earn far more than their salary from other investments.

Zoompad said...

NSPCC Report and Accounts 2006

Supporters and Patrons
In addition to our Appeal Patrons, we would like to thank the following companies, trusts and organisations for their support through 2005/2006:
A D Power Will Trust
Accenture
Accord
Adint Charitable Trust
Alan Edward Higgs Charity
The Albert Hunt Trust
Amaechi Basketball Centres
Army Central Fund
The Arnold Foundation
Arriva Plc
The Associates Capital Corporation
Avenal Charitable Trust
Bain Capital
Barclays Bank Plc
BDO Stoy Hayward
Beetham Organization
British Telecom
Cartel Group Holding Plc
Citrix Systems
Community Fund –
Strategic Grants & England Office
Community Fund –
Research team (Corporate Office)
Community Fund –
Yorkshire and Humber
Community Fund –
East Midlands Region
Constance Green Foundation
Cookstown & Magherafelt Lions Club
Coral Eurobet Ltd
Credit Suisse First Boston
Culina Logistics
Eleanor Harvey Charitable Trust
The Emmandjay Charitable Trust
Faber Maunsell
Family Lines Research
First
First Choice Holidays Plc
The Fulmer Charitable Trust
GCHQ
GLG Partners
Goldman Sachs
Halifax Building Society
Hays Specialist Recruitment Ltd
The Hobson Charity Ltd
J & J Haslett Ltd
Jacuzzi UK Group Plc
Sir James Knott Trust
Jarvis Hotels Ltd
Jarvis Plc
John Coates Charitable Trust
The Julian Trevelyan Foundation Trust
Kathleen Hannay Memorial Charity
The Kathleen Laurence Trust
Kerry Foods
The Law Society
The Leason Trust
Legal & General
LogicaCMG
London Fittings & Flanges Ltd
Madeline Mabey Trust
The Magheramorne Foundation
Man Group Plc Charitable Trust
Manpower UK Ltd
Masshouse Developments Ltd
Mercer Human Resource Consulting
Metroline
Midlands Expressway Ltd
Miller Homes Yorkshire Ltd
Million Dollar Round Table Foundation
MITIE Group Plc
The Monday Club (Kuwait)
Moy Park Ltd
Nationwide Building Society
NCP
Nicholas de Yong
Charitable Settlement
The Northern Bank Ltd
Ofenheim Charitable Trust
Partners the Stationers
PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, Leeds
QinetiQ
R S Components UK
Rothschild Foundation
Rufus Leonard
Sainsbury’s
Schneider Electric Ltd
Dr Scholl Foundation
Schroder & Co. Ltd
ShareGift
The Shauna Gosling Trust
Stagecoach Group
Stover Golf Club
Sun Microsystems Ltd
Swansea Sound and The Wave
The Lady Sybil Julia Joseph
Charitable Trust
Tesco Charity Trust
Tier 1 Asset Management Ltd
Toscafund Ltd
Transform Medical
Transport for London
Travis Perkins
Univar Ltd
Vodafone Ltd
Wilkinson Hardware Stores
Williams Lea Group
Woodford Group
Wragge & Co

We are equally grateful to
several more supporters who have
chosen to remain anonymous
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FROM THE NSPCC FULL STOP CAMPAIGN

A new era of fundraising Full Stop

Positive change for children

Vice Chairmen
Sir Martyn Arbib
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Matthew Freud
The Rt Hon Peter Mandelson

Anonymous said...

The names and addresses of the jurats are published at the front of the Jersey telephone directory.

It's interesting to note that just one of the twelve jurats lives in St Helier. None lives in St Brelade or St Saviour, the next most populous parishes. 58% of the island's population is therefore "represented" by a single jurat. The same number as Jersey's least populous parish, St Mary (less than 2% of the population).

In fact, the four north coast parishes collectively have 7 of the jurats (58%) but just 13% of the island's population.

Now I know that these people do not represent their parishes in a political sense, but they should surely be representative of the island's populace.

Those of us who live in the island will, of course, understand that the jurats are meant only to represent the establishment, and it's absolutely no surprise that they are mainly drawn from the less "progressive" corners of the island.

Anybody who thinks that a cornerstone of British justice is trial by one's peers probably ought to avoid the Jersey courts -unless, of course, they happen to be wealthy, old and live in a million-pound plus granite farmhouse.

Plato said...

Can you prove the email was from the time stated?

Pour Les Contres said...

An observation on the subject of truth, transparency & accountability.

The new weapon in the armament of corrupt Jersey crown officers, politicians & civil servants?

Ask a question they don't like & you may well be in trouble with the police. Why?

Harassment!

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Can I prove the e-mail date?

Of course.

As I thought I made clear - I got replies from some of them - so they can hardly deny receiving it.

As I said, the only sensible and reasonable reply was from Graham Power.

The other replies were as you might imagine them.

Stuart

Jill Gracia said...

'The fundamental point is that the administration of justice has to not only be impartial and non-conflicted – it has to meet the higher test of appearing to be impartial and non-conflicted.'

On the basis of the above, would not the victims of the McGuires at least have a case to take this to another authority, as clearly there was a grave conflict here?

Sadly we plebs and peasants, as I am sure people like the AG etc., look on us do not have legal minds, but if there was another avenue to pursue as clearly the AG WAS conflicted could someone please advise.

I often wonder if these smug judiciary, when they are sitting behind their closed doors amongst all the trappings of their corrupt 'lifestyles' can honestly sleep soundly at night. Us lower classes at least have something far more valuable that we can live with - our consciences.

And Stuart, we have you to thank for enlightening and informing us about all (and there is a lot) that is wrong with this Island.

Ben Elephant Fund said...

WE NEED A FAIR UNCORRUPTABLE PROSECUTION SERVICE.
THE A.G. ON HIS OWN IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Anonymous said...

Excellent post Jill. They are conflicted. Perhaps one of the abused could Google. Court of European Rights, which will direct you to a legal question site which a question could be submitted under European Law.

Since it is assumed that the UK Judicial System refuse to intervene, the abused of Jersey should indeed have rights under European Laws of Human Rights. Perhaps a question placed on this site could guide them to securing a prosecution under European Law even though Jersey are not members of the EU.


There is more than one way of skinning Rabbits!!!!!!!

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Gill

Yes - there are indeed, for the reasons you describe, other legal avenues open to the survivors.

Similar avenues as are open to other people - like me for example - who have made serious criminal complaints - only to see those complaints corruptly buried.

I won't go into the details yet, for obvious reasons - but a number of us are working on assembling the cases.

It's sufficient to say that we have, very much, a shared locus standi - and that's all I will say for the time being.

If you want a clue - try to imagine what the Jersey oligarchy's worst conceivable legal nightmare might be?

This is NOT going away guys.

Speaking of the Jersey prosecutory and judicial figures - and to the deeply puzzling question, 'how do they sleep at night?'

It's quite simple.

The internal self-image these people have is utterly at variance with the reality of their actions, attitudes and personality as exhibited in day-to-day real life.

This psychological phenomena is compounded in the case of these people by largely keeping company with others who share their socio-political views and personal traits - and various sycophants.

It is even yet further compounded by 'learned behaviour' in that the experience of them as individuals - and of the psycho-social grouping of which they are members - is one one of utter invulnerability.

To further explain this point, consider the fact that - no matter how vast their malfeasances - no matter how immoral, corrupt, incompetent, dishonest and straightforwardly criminal their conduct - they simply always get away with it.

Every single time.

They always win.

So the total non-accountability enjoyed by these people - the complete absence of any 'moral hazard' - compounds yet further their sense of omnipotence - and the resultant megalomania.

So people like Bill and Phil Bailhace, Mick Birt and Wierdcop - don't wake up in the morning affected by any self-doubt - or thoughts of shame, remorse, embarrasment; they don't look in the mirror and think - "Well, we've pulled our oligarchy's arse out of the fire once again, but, God, I'm disgusted with myself."

They contemplate themselves - and see not the reality of child-abuse concealing, power-abusing, politically self-interested, non-empathetic monsters.

They see fine and grand pillars of society. Men of impeccable social standing, expensively educated and regular church-goers. The shinning champions of civilisation - standing firm in a battle against the barbarian hordes of aggrieved plebs.

In their eyes - they are the Knights in shinning armour - and people like me are the dangerous and disruptive scum against which they must battle.

That is why they sleep at night. Their individual personalities - and the powerful psycho-social effect of 'Groupthink' - enable them to maintain a wholly unreal image of themselves.

Regular readers of this blog will be all too painfully familiar with the brute reality of these people's conduct.

So consider that "performance" and behaviour, as consistently exhibited over the decades, and then have a think about the personality traits I list below.

Glibness/superficial charm.

Grandiose sense of self-worth.

Pathological lying.

Cunning/manipulative.

Lack of remorse or guilt.

Emotionally shallow.

Callous/lack of empathy.

Failure to accept responsibility for own actions.

A sense of extreme entitlement.

Lack of personal insight.

Failure to learn from experience.

Inability to distinguish right from wrong.

Isn't it just amazing how that list of traits describes so perfectly the personal reality of Jersey's judicial oligarchy.

All of those traits are - in fact - some of the classic, text-book symptoms used by psychiatrists to diagnose psychopathy.

Which goes a long way to explaining things.

Stuart.

Anonymous said...

The days of Lords and Masters are long gone, please Mr Bailiff and your brother plus those others who flaunt the power to suit themselves please note.

If and that is a big IF Jersey had a decent media the public would be demand a full enquiry into the Judicial system in Jersey, take for instance the recent Expenses scandal in the UK.

A lot of people are very anti EU laws, that is because now everyone has the right of redress, through Human Rights and EU legislation retlating to Care issues especially.

The AG really is batting on a sticky wicket if he thinks for one moment "this will go away" even when he is Deputy Bailiff this will haunt him in the same way it will haunt the new Bailiff.

Sadly medieval laws have no place in the 21st century and it really is time the Government of Jersey updated it's laws. Of course they won't too many brown nosed elected representatives who will comply with higher archy rather than do the job they were elected to do, represent their constituents.

New name, thanks Stuart "Ally"

Anonymous said...

Off topic.
This growing the population stuff.
What happens when the new people get old?

Proud Survivor said...

"delusions of grandeur" refer to a person who is in over his head, or who exaggerates the amount of power and importance that he has. Used in the vernacular, the term usually describes people who are disliked - dictators of countries, prominent businessmen, or celebrities, since they are often prone to being selfish and egotistical."

"Delusions of grandeur" is another term for grandiose ideas of self worth as described by Stuart. Another psychotic symptom.

Reminf you of anyone folks?

Zoompad said...

"Off topic.
This growing the population stuff.
What happens when the new people get old?"

What do you mean, "What happens?"

We can't involuntarily euthenise (murder) the people who are here, because that's wicked.

All I know is that when people do the right thing, blessings do tend to be turned towards them.

In spite of what all the scare mongerers would tell you, there is still plenty of space on this planet to feed house and clothe everyone in comfort, in spite of mankind's reckless attempt to destroy this planet.

Jill Gracia said...

I too was going to post a comment about the 'media'.

Surely, but surely 'they' must realise that we are not stupid, and the fact that they are prepared to give low profile and low key reporting to these issues speaks for itself. In fact the media is a boring mouthpiece for the Establishment, and not worthy of reading or watching.

I would have thought that recent events would have been of newsworthy interest, even if only from a survivor's point of view, but no, we see nor read anything. Says it all really doesn't it?

National papers are of course allied to one party or another which we accept and choose to read whichever we wish to. Here - one paper, one 'party', the oligarchy party, and no choice.

VFC is doing an excellent job, and our mainstream media should be taking a leaf out of their book.

I am also a little disappointed that some of our politicians have not been a bit more vociferous over this.

However all you good people out there, actions DO speak louder than words, so please do not think that on 4th July that one more person will not make a difference. Hundreds of 'one more people' WILL make a difference, and a little time out to support this cause is a small but important stand to make.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

I have received a comment which refers to a case in which charges have been laid.

The matter is, therefore, sub judice, so no such comments will be published on this site until the conclusion of the case.

Thanks

Stuart

Anonymous said...

Stuart you tease..Ooh you are awful!.

"If you want a clue - try to imagine what the Jersey oligarchy's worst conceivable legal nightmare might be?".

Mmmm...What would their worst legal nightmare be?.

Ill go with them being forced to endure scrutiny by an external police/legal ivestigation,whose powers exceed any figure/group on the island.

Imagine Bills puce faced fury at being "obliged" to reopen cases of child abuse and criminality - that are then discovered to have been covered up?.

Even worse-for them-would be the embarrassing trial and conviction of establishment/states figures in connection with any of these cases!.

The final part of the nightmare would focus on the subsequent fallout from the exposure and convictions of these states and establishment figures.

A hefty compensation package for survivors of child abuse,a rehaul of the justice system, more accountability at all levels in the states and finally an end to political influence of the police force.

But by far the worst would them having to admit the plebmiester Syvret was right all along.

st_ouennais said...

There is a legal precedent in the UK for the requirement for justice to be seen to be done. Wiki gives some backgound McCarthy

I don't know if there is Jersey equivalent. I would like to know!

Anonymous said...

Adrian, on the comments page of the JEP website stated ('inter alia'):

“I myself am surprised that the authorites haven’t taken away his internet access under the same law as well? If not, why they haven’t just changed the law a bit to cover this?”


Doubtless our learned Law Officers (aka Bailhache, Birt & Bailhache) have considered promulgating such legislation.

But if they were to be so stupid as to do so there would be revolution in the Bailiwick of Jersey.

But, then again, that “not the Jersey Way”, is it?

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Yes - the same requirements for justice to be seen to be done do apply in Jersey - well, in theory, at least.

Moreover, that extremely well-established British jurisprudence is endorsed and enforced by the findings of the European Court of Human Rights.

I'll elaborate a little on what stage we're at with legal plans.

The Old Boy's network was able to fiddle our application for judicial review of Straw's failures. I mean, come on, what are the chances of turning up to court in London - with a case involving sexual abuses and their concealment by the Jersey oligarchy - and finding that the two judges to hear the case are, (a) a man prosecuted for flashing, and, (b), a mate of Phil Bailhache's?

But - never mind, JR applications are "discretionary" to the court - so they can refuse to even allow a hearing to take place if that's their whim.

A straight civil claim for damages - brought by a number of people - against Straw in London is a different matter.

An altogether more difficult proposition for the fiddle.

The applications won't - like JR - be 'discretionary' - so the presumption is the claims go to a full trial - with witnesses and a comprehensive disclosure of evidence - all being aired in open court. (that's the 'worst nightmare'.)

In order to prevent a full trial (which they will be desperate to do)my understanding is that there are only two possible mechanisms open to the oligarchy and its supporters and defenders in Whitehall.

Those being a strike-out application - and/or an order for security of costs.

The side applying for a strike-out has to achieve an extremely high threshold of evidence. They have to prove that the case, the application, is so utterly and manifestly ill-founded as to be hopeless; to have no prospect of success at all.

They can't even get into the ball-park on that basis. The Barclay brothers have been taking Straw to court in London for years - and doing so on the basis of, frankly, far less well-evidenced and powerful arguments than we have.

That leaves us with the order for security of costs. Basically this means that the defending side asks the court to require the other to demonstrate, or actually pay into a fund, sufficient financial resources to fully pay the other side's costs in the event of the applicant side losing.

This method is frequently used to discourage or prevent frivolous, vexatious or speculative legal actions.

Of course, if the applicant cannot produce security for costs - £3 million, or whatever it may be - then the case does not proceed.

But, again, my understanding is that the courts are extremely conscious of the fact that such orders can be used and abused by the rich and powerful to, basically, shield themselves from facing any kind of civil justice.

And, to exclude the poor from access to the courts in this manner is a plain breach of their human rights.

On the basis of the, admittedly, non-expert researches I have undertaken - and the legitimacy and power of our claim - I just can't see Straw's gang being able to swing either a strike-out application or an order for security of costs.

Therefore - win or loses the substantive case - we at least get a full trial of the issues.

Watch this space.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

very interesting article.
visa.csuston.edu/aaba.Dunarticle.html

Anonymous said...

A worthy cause"

Anonymous said...

Not sure that there is word in the OED - "conflictedness"

Any way, not that you're being watched, but one of your brake lights isn't working on your maroon Mercedes.

Anonymous said...

Lets hope the sales of the rag have gone down today, if nothing else but to dispute last weekends apalling Editorial by Chris Bright.

Anonymous said...

The NSPCC

I have always thought that this organisation is poor in practice, but well connected. I have much evidence of all this. For some reason the NSPCC was good in practice (not research) prior to 1987. BTW, did I read that Mandelson is a VIP? Wow!!

DT

Anonymous said...

another signature to the edm - brilliant

Anonymous said...

It looks like the EDM is gaining momentum this is good news. Hopefully it will gain critical mass soon.

One Day said...

'The fundamental point is that the administration of justice has to not only be impartial and non-conflicted – it has to meet the higher test of appearing to be impartial and non-conflicted.'

On the basis of the above, would not the victims of the McGuires at least have a case to take this to another authority, as clearly there was a grave conflict here?

Good point Jill, does anyone know if they could send evidence statements to the French police as they are living there?

Anonymous said...

visa.csuston.edu/aaba.Dunarticle.html

I couldnt get onto this site recommended by anonymous.

Please could Web Guru or Computer Nerd link it. Thanks M8's :-)

Anonymous said...

Being Stuart Syvret, that brake light could land you in serious trouble!!!

Anonymous said...

Good news PJ is going down, less and less are on there now.

Even Deputy the Dawg is only on now and again to have a go at you know who.

Where is the establishment troll these days? Surely Adrian needs him to artificially boost his site?

Will their April fool come true next year. Here's hoping.

Web Guru said...

THE STATE OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN JERSEY

Anonymous said...

If things are as bad as you say I can see why nothing is going to happen.

Steve M said...

The demise of PJ is not a moment too soon. Bunch of bloody facists, the lot of them.
I hope that this march is going to bring some people out of the woodwork.
There are far, far too many people who talk a good game - but basically have no balls to associate themselves with the cause in person.

Anonymous said...

Broken brake light? Worth at least 3 or 4 hours in a cell I should imagine :)

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Nah - come on. This is Jersey.

3 to 4 years, surely?

Stuart

Jersey Needs Justice said...

The ollies own the civil serpents

The civil serpents own the ministers

The ministers own the police

What chance have we got?

Anonymous said...

""delusions of grandeur" refer to a person who is in over his head, or who exaggerates the amount of power and importance that he has. Used in the vernacular, the term usually describes people who are disliked - dictators of countries, prominent businessmen, or celebrities, since they are often prone to being selfish and egotistical."

"Delusions of grandeur" is another term for grandiose ideas of self worth as described by Stuart. Another psychotic symptom.

Reminf you of anyone folks?"


Is the answer any one of the council of ministers?

Anonymous said...

Since I am now "Forbidden" access to PJ, I thought the site had gone down, I am really crying crocodile tears into my soup that I am forbidden to read the daily "dishings" of the sad ones.

One wonders why? but cares even less.

Anonymous said...

'Delusions of grandeur' within the council of ministers.....
my guess is you are refering to Ouzouf with second prize goign to Terry le Main.
(I would have given top prize to Perchard but he's no longer a COM)

Proud Survivor said...

"Delusions of grandeur" is another term for grandiose ideas of self worth as described by Stuart. Another psychotic symptom.

Remind you of anyone folks?

Is the answer any one of the council of ministers?"

Of course it is but especially any one of them with a surname beginning with B!

Web Guru thankyou for sorting out that very enlightening posting of an article by Dun on Human Rights in Jersey. Written in 2001 but plus ca change eh?

Anonymous said...

Very pleased you found that article by Michael Dun interesting. There is another article relating to his quest for Human Rights in Jersey. Google his name and you will come up with an article sent to the House of Commons.

Not too sure who Michael Dun is but obviously an Islander who spent a lot of time fighting for Human Rights in Jersey.

Can anyone enlighten me who he was or is?

Anonymous said...

Well I have traced the address of the Mcguires and I am going to write a nice letter to Mr or madame le maire of the commune. But again he or she is probably friends of them!!! If not they may have to be on the move again!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if it is true that well known rabid right-winger Deputy Dawg on Planet Slander is actually the not so little boy of Senator Fiscally Challenged?

Anonymous said...

The State of Human Rights in Jersey.
Surely, this documennt cannot relate to Jersey in 2009?

Web Guru said...

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs Written Evidence

Anonymous said...

Mike Dun is a house designer or probably now retired one (not architect as he would be at pains to point out!).

He often responds to human rights issues on the BBC talk-ins in an individualistic laconic/melancholic world weary tone.
But he is an unfailing champion of human rights recognition.

Keep it up Mike.

Anonymous said...

Stuart

Do you think that Pollard and his side kicks need to be worried for your proposition which will finally get debated next week?

Perry McGuire LLB (Hons) (Open) said...

Unfortunately, in a place like Jersey, it's seemingly a case of not what you know but 'who' you know...

Very, very sad if true.

Anonymous said...

"keep it up Mike" thanks for that.

Researching through the laws relating to Human Rights, boy oh boy, I think perhaps Mr B and his side kicks really ought to employ a good Lawyer of European Law relating to Human Rights.

They are failing on numerous counts, The Freedom of Speech (ie Stuart Syvret) Gagging clauses (ie Simon Bellwood) failure to hold abuses accountable and offering abused recompense. Oh dear, wouldn't you really expect Lawyers etc., employed by the tax payers would follow these laws, instead it seems they follow their own standards and poke two fingers up to Human Rights, Freedom of Speech.

Be warned the B bros the internet is a wonderful tool for the layman or woman for research. The abused will indeed see you in court.

Anonymous said...

Stuart - Would it be worth placing before the Parliamentry Select Committee the failures in the compliance with the Convention of Human Rights?

I do believe under the this Convention they are required by law to debate and respond to grievances, I could be wrong, but thought it was worth mentioning.

Anonymous said...

is there a right to trial by jury in Jersey?

Proud Survivor said...

Don't know about a right to trial by jury in Jersey. When I lived there you could still technically be hanged but there was no hangman on the island.

Don't forget you still have the right to cry Haro in the Royal Square and you are supposed to get a hearing. " Haro! haro! A l'aide, mon Prince, on me fait tort!"

Maybe a concerted cry by a group might work?

Anonymous said...

I don't know who Deputy Dawg is but he seems to be cut from the same cloth as the well known troll JTM. I don't bother with that site anymore it pretends to be open when actually it isn't.

My advice is don't bother on sites that like to use censorship as a way to shut up the anti-establishment voice.

Anonymous said...

If you get the McGuires moved on, then we won't know where they are any more. Is that really a good idea, strategically? It undoes the hard work of finding them.

Web Guru said...

backdrop to the historic child abuse inquiry at the former Haut de la Garenne

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Praise where praise is due.

That CTV piece by Adam Fowler was, indeed, excellent journalism.

I even e-mailed CTV just after watching it when it was broadcast to congratulate them. I'm not in the least surprised it won an award.

In respect of the whole, wretched mess of confronting Jersey's tortuous past treatment of children - this tv piece was, by miles, the first genuinely good journalism on the subject produced by any of the local media.

All local hacks should watch Adam's programme - as an indicator of what it means to seriously address such difficult subjects.

We all know - for example - there is no way on God's green Earth that BBC Jersey would have produced a piece like this.

I strongly recommend everyone to watch it.

Especially those sad and sick individuals who belive that flogging children until they bleed was perfectly acceptable and should be re-introduced.

As I said, praise when due. I'd really love to be able to give similar praise to all of Jersey's media - but the rest of them have it all to do to meet this standard.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

Hello!

I live in the UK (Doncaster, if you would like to know) and I have read this blog quite a lot recently. A phrase that occurs frequently is

"The Jersey Way"

Would anyone care to explain this? What is "the Jersey Way", please? I can't find it in any reference work.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Re the Mguire to move on. Yes good point. I will not write this letter

The Thinker said...

The Clameur de Haro is historically a law governing property and land disputes. There was once a man who raised it for the wrong reasons in the 1970s which resulted in a fine I believe.

It's my personal opinion that the Jersey judiciary would use this against the cause if a group were to raise it. Raising the Clameur for the wrong reasons isn't taken lightly.

I wouldn't recommend it - but that's just my personal opinion.

Ryan M

Anonymous said...

Stuart I really get disturbed about many of the serious failures relating to childrens right of care and protection. The plight of the young girl in the cell overnight seriously disturbs me. She should have had access to health care under the circumstances and surely it is a gross failure to keep a child in a cell overnight, that child, not having access to a female member of the Police, makes it even worse, failure to provide her with the necessary sanitry protection is a grossly humiliating experience, regardless of what crime this child had committed, if she was intoxicated to boot she should have been seen by a doctor surely, not just locked up in a cell, without a buzzer, she could have choked to death overnight.

Amazing isn't is a wealthy island cannot provide the most basic care under the human rights act for a child, they ought to be taken to court and humiliated.

Anonymous said...

As a long standing memeber of St Helier yacht club I have been saddened by the general depiction on this blog of members as a bunch of corrupt childabusers who swan about in thier gin palaces with scant reguard for others. This is not a true picture and as in all groups of people there is a broad spectrum. However the MORONIC IDIOT who advocates bringing the birch back is not going to help the situation.

Anonymous said...

Re the Mguire's running:

In France, when a foreigner move's from one address to another....they have seven day's to notify the local Gendarmerie.

Also, i'm pretty sure that given the seriousness of the alligations against them, that the authorities would monitor thier movements very closely!

Anonymous said...

I would ask anyone who has any doubts that the birch and other such cruelity inflicted upon the innocent is WRONG - to put yourself in the victims shoes, imagine yourself as a child (or adult) who is being subjected to these disgusting acts of depravity! How would you feel?

How would you not come away a seriously harmed and delusioned person?

Anonymous said...

"What is "the Jersey Way", please? I can't find it in any reference work."

The "Jersey way" is a cross between feudalism and the omerta vows of the mafia.

Meaning that the power and influence that runs the island is passed down through generations of families. The proof of this can be seen on the walls of many parish halls on the island where the same surnames are listed as the past officials of the parish throughout the decades.
But where "The Jersey way" comes into it's own is in the way that outside influences, people or ideas, are fought tooth and nail if they are perceived to be a threat to the traditional power base. It's a recognised fact that if someone causes too much trouble they will be stopped.
Not by a hit or anything so messy. But their life becomes a constant series of obstacles, traffic offenses, increased scrutiny by the tax and social security depts, or those in employment might find themselves downsized.
Now all of that might happen and it might not but what does happen is that once someone has incurred the displeasure of the establishment, in any way at all, they're name is turned to mud to all the other members of the cliques who run this island. On an island 9 miles by 5 it doesn't take to long to trash someones reputation and if the people doing the gossipping have control over areas of your life, then challenging the status quo becomes a lot scarier than it would if one lived in London for example.
As for practical examples of this look back through this site's pages and read about what happened to Simon Bellwood, Stuart's own problems (of course), Lenny Harper, Graham Power and all those people who managed to dig up the courage to come forward and tell what had happened to them in the care homes of this island.
Then compare that to the unseeing eyes of the Bailache family who are continously rewarded for their sterling defence of "the Jersey way".

Anonymous said...

Stuart

What happen if this weeks States sitting goes into Thursday?
States sitting or Police Court?

Anonymous said...

William Bailhache's ultimate ambition is to be Knighted, and anyone who gets in his way will be stopped, The Jersey Way.
Thats the way it was until recently, but not anymore.
Times are a changin?!

Anonymous said...

Stuart,

Realistically what do you your chances are, given the state of The States, of getting the investigation by Verita canceled?

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Court - definitely.

That way, it's yet another count of breaking Article 47 of the States of Jersey Law by Barking Bill and his thugs; admittedly, one of the more tame and minor examples - but - every little helps!

Incidentally - guess what?

I'm seeking legal disclosure of all evidence which may be relevant to my pleadings - and the cops are refusing to furnish me with it.

You couldn't make it up.

Police state or what?

Perhaps Barking Bill - given his self-perception as some kind of heroic, saint-like figure, battling valiently against me (quoth Bill "Stuart Syvret is immensly dangerous - a real threat to Jersey!!!!") would care to ask himself - just as a gauge of the credibility of his views - 'how many respectable, democratic countries deny defendants access to all the evidence they need to marshal their defence?'

Only in Jersey - I suspect.

But - actually - it's pretty great for the main cause.

You just couldn't pay for your opponents to exhibit this degree of self-immolating stupidity.

Do come along on Thursday - I will be moving for an adjournment - on the grounds of non-disclosure of evidence.

And that's before we even get into the recusal application - and the pleading that 'evidence' against me has been obtained unlawfully.

You know - this is quite fantastic. As it's them trying to do me - they can't just rig it like they did in London and tell me go away. The court can accept my various pleas - and find accordingly - or they won't - in which case that long and winding road to Strasbourg beckons.

I call this the Jersey oligarchy's "Al Capone moment".

All the monstrous criminally of that notorious gangster - and in the end they nailed him for something that appeared very trivial in comparison - tax dodging.

This is is the Jersey gang's equivalent nemesis. They get away with all the real big stuff - the out-and-out criminality. Yet they just push their luck that step too far. They just couldn't resist the oppression of me based on some trivia - forgetting to renew a driving licence.

So now - they're going to have to defend the incompetent shambles of the Jersey prosecution and judicial systems through a serious of courts; and they're already messing-up in attempting to refuse to disclose evidence necessary to the defendant's case.

Do come along on Thursday. I'm representing myself so it should be entertaining.

Stuart

deputy dog said...

Hi Stuart,(this is the real deputy dog, not deputy dawg,) I am not the son of a well knowh st Brelade's senator.
Barking Bill (Deputy bailiff) What a nightmare, more lies and cover ups, knowing the person you are, on the tireless work you do for the people of Jersey, I am sure that you can't wait to take this smug git on, keep on going Stuart, you are the people's champion!!.
P.S is there any more Balaiche boys waiting in the wings, to carry on this shamefull regime.
The Dog (The real one)

Anonymous said...

Adam Fowler - a genuine young man who is an excellent journalist whose hands I believe are tied by his 'hierarchy'.

If only these media persons were given a free rein and not constrained by their establishment sycophant superiors I am sure we would have more open and honest reporting in this Island.

And....Thursday should be a very interesting day!!

Proud Survivor said...

Thanks to The Thinker. I have done a bit of research on The Clameur and you are quite right that it now applies as a temporary injunction in disputes over land. When I learned about it at school in Jersey we were given a much broader meaning. My teacher was obviously not aware that it has changed over the years.

"Originally the Clameur was used for criminal matters like theft or assault. But as the centuries passed and the administration of justice became increasingly systematic it became obsolete in those kinds of cases."

Shame really! So unless anyone knows differently best leave the group cry alone!

Anonymous said...

'There's a boat in the morning' is another expression that all students of the 'The Jersey Way' should be aware of.

If you dont like 'the Jersey way' (of doing things) then 'there's a boat in the morning' (i.e. Don't complain- if you don't like it, lump it or go away).

Anonymous said...

To the member of St Helier Yacht club.

I am so pleased that you do not share the same sentiments as another member of your club,

I don't think anyone has suggested that ALL members of the Yacht Club are child abusers in ths same way that not all staff employed in Childrens Homes, HDLG have been accused of being child abusers. There may indeed be quite a few, however no-one to my knowledge has suggested that if you belong to the Yacht Club your "tarred with the same brush."

I really think the 'Gin Palace' references relate mainly to the Establishment et al, and those who were known to abuse children on board yachts.

Perhaps it may be taken in the wrong context at times but it is very hard for those who have been abused to not to associate their abuse with certain places and organisations. Maybe you would like to support those victims by showing your face on July 4th to support those who are taking to the streets to show your disgust with the cover up of child abuse and encourage those of your members who find abuse unacceptable to join you. By showing support is a way forward, it is easy to write on Stuarts blog - much better to physically show your disgust at the corporal punishment, sexual, mental abuse of children in a more substantive manner.

It is very easy to pay lip service - it is far better to show that your sentiments may not be the same as those who suggest "The Birch" which I believe, I may be corrected was a medieval way of punishing children. Corporal Punishment became unlawful in the UK in I believe 1948 yet we see on the award winning documentry on Channel TV it was still in use on your Island in the late 50s, even longer who knows, dreadful at keeping records, Jersey is renowned for it.

Anonymous said...

(i.e. Don't complain- if you don't like it, lump it or go away).

Or do your level best to bring it to an end for the good of everyone.

and force the lump it's to swallow it by requiring Jersey to adhere to european conventions on human rights

Anonymous said...

I 'd just like to correct the inaccurate comment that I think came from the late JJ Le Marquand a great 17th Century thinker who died in the 1980s.
There are now at least TWO boats a day (when Condor is running on all engines) creating opportunities that were denied our forebears!

Anonymous said...

"Jersey Needs Justice said...

The ollies own the civil serpents

The civil serpents own the ministers

The ministers own the police

What chance have we got?"

On the face of it, none.

But battles well against the odds have been fought and won before.

It's the stuff of legends, the battle between gigantic evil verses little tiny righteousness. We are on the right side, because we want to stop children being abused. They are STILL abuseing children, and we are like a sharp thorn in their side.

The story of David and Goliath would not be so brilliant if Goliath had not been nine feet tall and David a youth too small to comfortably wear man's armour.

We are battling well against the odds, but all that does is make the fight better.

Don't be scared of the size of the opponent - the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Zoompad

Proud Survivor said...

The birch was still in use in the 1960's. As I wrote in a previous posting I saw the scars to prove it! I am not sure when it stopped but I believe around 1964 which was when I left HDLG.

Anyone who watched the clip of Dennis Bouchere on the award winning documentary will know what a barbaric torture it was. The fact that it was used on boys like him who were already the victims of violence highlights what a senseless punishment it was. At least my friend received his lashes on his back as in the 50's it was on the backside. As Dennis said most of them went on to re-offend anyway. The pain and trauma on this man's face and in his voice as he looked at the birching stool he had been strapped to over 50 years ago was palpable. It made me cry.

No wonder it was considered acceptable to physically abuse kids in care. If it was legal to flog them until they were scarred for life in the 60's then what chance did we stand?

Anonymous said...

From the BBC News website:

A man and a woman have been charged after police discovered that a live internet broadcast had been made of a child being sexually abused.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8100949.stm

Anonymous said...

Whatever happens the landed gentry will take their place in history and be lauded from on high but their positions will be tarnished forever because of their role in not ensuring that child abusers were brought to justice, that is the tip of the iceberg no point on going into all teh other little foibles they have ........


I do not agree with role of Bayleaf and Deputy Bayleaf to me it is just a case of old boy back slapping they are just a claque of right wing ponces who need we peasants to make them feel superior!

Look at Peter Crill's ermine fancy dress....what a joke!

Anonymous said...

Stuart

There is no reason whatsoever for any States Member not to accept your proposal for a committee of inquiry into the death of nurse Elizabeth Rourke. Any member who votes against it should, and will be named and shamed. Perchard will vote against it, but he has shamed himself already. How do you think the vote will go?

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

How will my proposition to have a Committee of Inquiry into the unlawful killing of Elizabeth Rourke go?

Almost certainly defeated.

Anne Pryke has issued a set of formal Comments in response to the proposition.

Whilst I assume she's acting in good faith - the comments are a monstrous conflation of sophistry and mendacity.

Let me explain to you just how desperate - to a frankly deranged extent - the Jersey oligarchy are to stop this inquiry.

In my Outlook e-mail system - my official States of Jersey means of representing my constituents - my Mail Box retained and contained lots of e-mail correspondence.

Much of which was of great relevance to this case.

So much so - I was attempting to look at certain folders today in preparation for the debate.

Guess what?

The oligarchy have wiped it.

They have - in direct defiance of the - supposedly sacrosanct - Data Protection Law entered and removed huge swathes of my e-mail records.

I am - therefore - suddenly massively handicapped in evidencing my arguments in the forthcoming debate.

If the oligarchy are prepared to act criminally to this extent - then we can be quite certain they'll have the whips out tomorrow against the truth and against Mr. Day.

It is like something that could have been written by Kafka.

The only chance of us getting a real investigation - which will get to the truth - is in the hands of people across the community. If they feel strongly enough about this issue - they will get onto their States members tonight - and tell them to vote the decent way.

Stuart

Jill Gracia said...

Adam Fowler's CTV item on the birch was powerful and moving watching.

Mr Bouchere's painful memories were so clearly etched on his face and reflected in his voice, particularly when he was taken to see the equipment used in this barbaric punishment. I really, really felt for him.

And we have a 'plastic policeman' advocating the use of this as a measure for controlling unruly youth. This sort of attitude causes more problems than it solves.

Finally Stuart, I have often wondered how 'painful' it is for you to have to bow and scrape to Mr Bailhache when leaving and entering States meetings. It must stick in the craw somewhat. I know I could not do it!

Jill Gracia said...

'Guess what?

The oligarchy have wiped it.

They have - in direct defiance of the - supposedly sacrosanct - Data Protection Law entered and removed huge swathes of my e-mail records.'

So, the very 'law' that you allegedly broke and were arrested and detained for, has now been broken by the States of Jersey themselves! This is beyond all belief.

I can only hope and pray that a large enough majority of States Members see good sense tomorrow in regard to your proposition.

Sadly, I too fear that it will be defeated.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Adam Fowler will do a report on the whole sordid cicumstances surrounding the avoidable death of a patient.

Apart from his recent review of 'birching' Adam had previously also produced a memorable interview with the ex-minister for health, Senator Perchard, regarding the Howard League's clear and unambiguous statement that children in Jersey are still at risk, despite Perchard's blatant on-air denial that the Howard League Report said any such thing.
Adam is far too clever to be fooled by amateur, not so bright, spin regurgitating, self-promoting politicians.

Anonymous said...

Committee of Inquiry into the death of Mrs. Elizabeth Rourke (P.76/2009): comments.

Presented: 16th June 2009.

Minister for Health and Social Services.

P.76/2009.
Com.

Anonymous said...

Stuart

You wrote:

"In my Outlook e-mail system - my official States of Jersey means of representing my constituents - my Mail Box retained and contained lots of e-mail correspondence."

You also wrote:

"They have - in direct defiance of the - supposedly sacrosanct - Data Protection Law entered and removed huge swathes of my e-mail records."

Just what kind of law could they use to justify such an outrageous obstruction? Is this something you can appeal legally, or is it a matter we should take to the international press community?

I am horrified.

Leigh

Zoompad said...

Stuart,

I have also had a chunk of my Outlook Express emails removed - aqbout two months of mail vanished.

A number of us Mothers for Justice had similar problems.

One of the ladies told me that she thought she knew the identity of one of the people responsible, because the person knew things which she had only shared in an email - and it was not to that person.

Anonymous said...

Stuart

You have every reason to be suspicious, but how do you KNOW they have wiped your e-mails? Are you sure you can rule out a technical glitch?

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Yes - I can most certainly - rule out 'technical glitchs'.

It's only the important data that's gone.

A lot of it personal, private communications with my constituents.

This is police-state oppresion.

As I write this, I'm watching BBC 2 Newsnight - who are reporting the obstructions and hacking by the Iranian oligarchy against their democrats.

Yet the UK government - and Jack Straw and his poodles - support and protect similar attitudes on their doorstep - down here in Jersey.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

Please contact your States member to ask them to support the proposition tomorrow. Do it now.

Anonymous said...

Hi Stuart

I'm surprised you and over like minded states members are using the SOJ Email system in the first place.

Its clear its being monitored and like I have said time and time again email is as secure as writing on the back of a postcard and posting it.

If you guys started using PGP it would really p*** them off, as they couldn't read your comunications.

OIJ

Anonymous said...

Sadly it seems to me that personal aspirations of most of the States Members come before honesty and decency. Elizabeth Roukes family deserve to know who was responsible for the death of their loved one, they deserve answers and more than anything they deserve to see that those responsible are held accountable for her unlawful killing.

This should NOT be about politics it should be about answers and JUSTICE, something they will probably never get.

It should also be about the reason why an eminent surgeon has been suspended for many months, a man who is highly respected and I understand to date has been charged with nothing and found guilty of nothing.

If this had happened in the NHS - those responsible, after many months of cover up and the failure of Managements responsibility to address the situation in an open and legitimate investigation heads would be rolling.

It seems that the States of Jersey adopt a policy of suspend until the suspended reach either retirement age or can be bought off with a gagging order.

Any member of the States of Jersey who votes against Stuarts motion should hang their heads in shame, they are elected to serve their constituents not Civil SErvants.

Those responsible for trying to "cover this up" should be charged with malpractice.

Póló said...

Am I correct in thinking that your emails were deleted while your computer was in police custody.

If so, it certainly supports the theory of your arrest as a fishing expedition on the part of the police.

I hope you can include this in your evidence to London or Strasbourg or wherever all this ends up.

Anonymous said...

Stuart, do you not back up your emails?

OIJ, you really seem to have missed the point. Stuart has absolutely nothing to hide. Why would he need to encrypt his communications? He just needs to make sure that data is not deleted.

Stuart, can i advise you to research proper offsite backup solutions.

Anonymous said...

What a pity that we as a community do not have the zeal that people in Iran have. The only way to shake up this government is by an uprising, we were promise electoral reform in the last elections so where is it?

Jill Gracia said...

Data...what? Law. Certainly NOT protection.

Jersey Police State Force, please note this law has been abused (and not by Stuart). No doubt we can expect to see you turning up in large numbers to arrest and detain the perpetrator(s).

Ooops, another pig flies past my window!

Anonymous said...

you should forward important email to a gmail account for safekeeping beyond their grimey slimeball tactics!

Anonymous said...

Zombie wrote:

"I have also had a chunk of my Outlook Express emails removed - aqbout two months of mail vanished."

I wondered how long it would take for this person to clamber on the bandwagon of public attention.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Statement of the Home Affairs Minister regarding covert intel on States members.

Do I take it that the inference was that such highly questionable intel storeage was instigated by Chief Officer Power and his Deputy Chief at the time in question - being Lenny Harper?

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Authorised by Graham Power and Lenny Harper?

Very possibly.

I've got no idea. But I strongly suspect there is more to this than meets the eye. I doubt very much that this exercise would have been undertaken merely on the isolated whim of a couple of senior Jersey cops.

This will almost certainly have had a UK security forces driver behind it.

And - I simply do not - for one instant - belive the Attorney General Bill Bailhache had no knowledge of this.

Lots more questions than answers right now.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

"Zombie wrote"

The name is Zoompad, not Zombie.

Zoompad.

Zombies were the name we used to call the lobotomy patients on an adult ward at the psychiatric hospital where they dumped me at the age of 13 as a "place of safety" after having taken me out of the hell hole children's "home", Chadswell Assessment Centre, in Staffordshire, where, again, I had been put as a "place of safety" after having been sexually abused from the age of 11.

We rather unkindly (I was only 13!) called them "zombies" because they appeared to have no brains, they didn't talk and just shuffled around, groaning and snuffling. I was told that thery had been lobotomised - it was pretty scary to find out that they could do stuff like that to you to "cure" you of what you were considered to have wrong with you.

Fortunatly, they didn't really find anything wrong with my brain, it says in my medical notes that I was put there as a "place of safety"

So, you see, I am not a Zombie - I am Zoompad.

Please refer to me as Zoompad in future, if you don't mind, thanks.

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

Stuart, have the oligarchy got you under 24/7 surveillance?
I guess your phone is bugged and data wires tapped.
Is there a legal ground for this, if they believe that you have broken data protection laws.
If not, then it will be good for your visit to Strasbourg.

Anonymous said...

Hi Stuart

How PGP encryption works
PGP encryption uses public-key cryptography and includes a system which binds the public keys to a user name and/or an e-mail address. The first version of this system was generally known as a web of trust to contrast with the X.509 system which uses a hierarchical approach based on certificate authority and which was added to PGP implementations later. Current versions of PGP encryption include both options through an automated key management server.


[edit] Digital signatures
PGP supports message authentication and integrity checking. The latter is used to detect whether a message has been altered since it was completed (the message integrity property), and the former to determine whether it was actually sent by the person/entity claimed to be the sender (a digital signature). In PGP, these are used by default in conjunction with encryption, but can be applied to plaintext as well. The sender uses PGP to create a digital signature for the message with either the RSA or DSA signature algorithms. To do so, PGP computes a hash (also called a message digest) from the plaintext, and then creates the digital signature from that hash using the sender's private keys.


[edit] Web of trust
Main article: Web of trust
Both when encrypting messages and when verifying signatures, it is critical that the public key one used to send messages to someone or some entity actually does 'belong' to the intended recipient. Simply downloading a public key from somewhere is not overwhelming assurance of that association; deliberate (or accidental) spoofing is possible. PGP has, from its first versions, always included provisions for distributing a user's public keys in an 'identity certificate' which is so constructed cryptographically that any tampering (or accidental garble) is readily detectable. But merely making a certificate which is impossible to modify without being detected effectively is also insufficient. It can prevent corruption only after the certificate has been created, not before. Users must also ensure by some means that the public key in a certificate actually does belong

OIJ

Anonymous said...

personally, I would be more suprised to learn that the States Police DIDN'T have files on all States Members!

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Let's face it - some States members deserve a police file - and I'm not talking about triva like forgetting to renew your driving liscence.

Unfortunatly - and we all know who they are - some of them are Teflon-coated and, apparantly, immune to the criminal law.

And - yeah - all my stuff's been bugged for years. But this time - it's off to Strasbourg.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

I had a response from Robert Flello MP, which I am trying to read out on this video - my webcam is playing up, so it's in two parts and incomplete, but basically he said that he would sign EDM 1480 if he feels that it represents his views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQOlmQ_MPeU

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

"So, you see, I am not a Zombie - I am Zoompad."

Yes, yes. Of course you are.

Anonymous said...

Stuart, I am not too sure if you swear allegiance when elected and sign any form of the official secrets act.

I know for a fact if you sign the official secrets act in the UK that a file is opened up, this file contains all sorts of useless information however I can guarantee you that the contents are never disgarded, added to and brought out for future reference. Believe me I was shocked to begin with when I learnt I actually have a file and learned some of the content of this.

Does it bother me, no, in the same way as identity cards will never bother me, perhaps they are complying with some sort of law which was not enforced until recently.

I assure you I am not trying to make exuses but thought I would enlighten you with procedures in the UK.

Web Guru said...

Court hears of ‘years of abuse’

Póló said...

Stuart

My question was a real one.

Were the emails deleted from your laptop while it was in police custody or is there an implication of online on-the-fly deletion? These are two very different situations with widely differing implications regarding technical capacity and credibility.

Anonymous said...

Stuart how right you are, plenty more questions re Ian Le Marquands announcement today in teh States. My first one is why was the issue brought to his attention, was it in a letter from the AG.....why was the issue raised with him in April of this year?..........WHY and for what reason?
I consider that neither LH or GP would have started this exercise of the

red rover said...

Stuart

I take it that the data was erased by the sojp as you have stated on numerous times that you have all information held off island. Good luck on Thursday.

Anonymous said...

BLAST

Grim reaper said...

It has been said that apart from the lack of food people were happier during the occupation than they are now. Everyone talked to and helped each other. The establishment were squeaky clean compared to the scumbag shysters that are running and ruining this beautiful island.

Anonymous said...

Well blow me down the troll is back on PJ its no surprise to see Stoofa aka JTM back again on there.

Anonymous said...

The tale of two Constables.
St.Martins didn't mind about files because he had nothing to hide! presumably between each of his projecting pinna (ears). But what I would have given money to see was the Constable of Grouville's reaction ..pale as buttercup paint I reckon!

Anonymous said...

When Barking Mad Bill lies...... he smirks.

Anonymous said...

Senator Le Marquand, proving today that he will not tolerate any cover ups, after making States members aware of "Operation Blast".
This inturn is telling States members to open their eyes.

Anonymous said...

STOOFA IS BACK!
Can't keep a good troll down

Anonymous said...

Stuart

"Operation Blast", being thrown at States Members today makes it even more likely for them to accept your proposal for a committee of inquiry into the unlawful killing of nurse Elizabeth Rourke, dont you think?

Anonymous said...

I wonder how surprised the establishment are about these secret police files.

Whats the betting that this news will now be used to dismiss the curently suspended Police Chief?

Oh so predictable

voiceforchildren said...

Stuart.

What I don't understand is why did Ian Le Marquand, voluntarily and willingly offer the news of "operation blast" to the States?

Perhaps after all my dealings with this, what I believe to be, corrupt Government I am a little more cautious than some!

But the way I see it is this is a massive ploy to drag Lenny Harper and Graham Powers names through the mud as they were the most senior officers at the time.

Personally I would be amazed if there WASN'T a file on all our elected "representatives" but I'm sure this is all going to ensure that Graham Power comes out "the bad guy" so a job well done by our Oligarchy.

On another note, I find it pretty rich that now all the States members are bleating on about their Human Rights.

Deputy Bob Hill has had a Human Rights group going for a few months now and has been looking for some support for it from States members.

To my knowledge only two States Members have given it any kind of support, well that is they turn up to meetings, and they are Deputy Montford Tadier and Deputy Roy Le Herissier.

So all you States Members who suddenly believe Human Rights might be an issue over here now that you have been affected by it, might I suggest you contact Deputy Hill and offer him and his group your support?

Anonymous said...

Or a ploy to get rid of Wierdcop, and reinstate Power.

Oh Blast! said...

I found an old JEP from the 5th May 2009 while tidying today, flicked through it in case I'd not read it properly before, and discovered.....

A carpenter was fined £100 by the Magistrate's Court for driving without a licence.

So now we know what the going rate is for carpenters without a licence - just £100 :)

But think of a number, treble it, and treble it again, add noughts for good luck - that's what they'll try to fine Stuart! "The law applies to everyone" after all (some more than others).

Anonymous said...

Stuart,

who was in charge when operation blast was being carried out?
Was it Harper and Power?
Will this not harm the HDLG case?

Anonymous said...

May I suggest that we invite President Ahemdinajad to come over and run the island? It looks like he might be seeking alternative employment in the near future, and it won't take him long to get up to speed here. In fact, he should feel right at home.

Anonymous said...

Le Marquand kept saying that disciplinary action was likely to be forthcoming.
That probably means that Power is the target.
So it looks like he will get fired after all.
Warcup must be a happy chappy at the moment. I really don't trust this person...he gives me the creeps.

Web Guru said...

Jersey Police keep secret files on States members

Anonymous said...

with all this talk of intel... must be some very twitchy shysters in the States at the moment!!

Anonymous said...

The announcement of 'Operation Blast' is just too convenient for me.....I am not usually a conspiracy theorist however I smell a rat. The SOJP surley had enough to contend with without creating work, I suspect that the order came via some UK authority as we all know power corrupts so why should the police not have research on political figures, should we consider these people to be above the law, are these files merely glorified 'Police Checks'.I understand the implications, invasion of privacy etc..........politicians were not the only ones so who else were they compiling dossiers on .............AND WHY HAS THIS NEWS BEEN BROKEN...............clearly an announcement is due on Graham Power .......this announcement has been engineered for a purpose.............WHY

Anonymous said...

"OPERATION BLAST"

Let's be clear about one thing. The files are kept by the police on behalf of the financial sector. They keep the dirt needed if somebody in the States becomes uncooperative. Of course there are people on both sides of the fence, but the principle is that they can return stooges to the States with a high degree of loyalty. You never know when somebody has to be bent on a ticklish issue.

Anonymous said...

on reflection it's probably long overdue that some of our shyster States Members were clued in to the fact that interested parties do know what they are up to.

Most decent members will have nothing to fear over this revelation but a few will be.. and should be... very uncomfortable.

Jill Gracia said...

What the hell is going on, and exactly who is running this Island??

Why has this only just been made public? There has to be an ulterior motive, but I guess only time will tell.

Perhaps now, all your knockers and doubters will have a change of heart Stuart.

Anonymous said...

What a blast!

I smell a rat –

You don’t divulge information like that without a valid reason!

Someone is being set up! Wonder who that could be?


Mushroom

Anonymous said...

What have they got to hide? :)

Now they know how annoying most of us would find having to carry ID cards.

I hope they remember their indignation abut this and consider the similarity should the question of ID cards arise again.

Anonymous said...

That must be really upsetting the politicians who thought that they 'owned' the police! :-)

Zoompad said...

Operation Blast - WHY HAS THIS NEWS BEEN BROKEN?

I don't know, but I am aware that there is one heck of a sparks flying bust up row brewing in the UK government at the moment, over money and corruption.

Perhaps it's linked in with that?

Ashburton said...

Jill Gracia rightly said that "there has to be an ulterior motive".

All the blame and opprobrium for Operation BLAST can, of course, be placed on the (suspended) police chief and his (retired) deputy.

This, in turn, will cast serious doubts on the probity of their child abuse regulation.

Result: complete annihilation of all those sincere and hardworking people striving to achieve a modicum of justice.

After all, that's "the Jersey Way", isn't it?

Anonymous said...

Nice way to drum up hostility to Harper and Power - the question is, is Op. Blast still in progress? Or has Acting Chief stopped it?

Ahimsa said...

With the teachings of Ghandi (which were influenced by Christianity as well as authors like Henry David Thoreau and Leo Tolstoy) and used with such effect by the following:

Martin Luther King
Nelson Mandela

who stood proudly for "truth and firmness."


if we all follow their examples the:

Truth Will Out

Anonymous said...

Voice for care leavers 2

Anonymous said...

Anyone who is daft enough to suggest the Lenny and Power set this up themselves is living in cloud cuckoo land. They were probably ordered by a higher being to have these files started, do you think for one moment that they sat down and collated this information themselves.

Why has been it been released now, probably to try and further undermine Lenny and Power - sadly I think this is going to backfire and who will have egg on their face?

I think maybe the UK security services, think of the money that passes through the Jersey banks, think of money laundering, think of terrorist accounts, all just suggestions, you would be amazed if you knew just a little of what information is stored about YOU and I am not referring to just Stuart.

Proud Survivor said...

Stuart
With regard to emails, do you know if your gmail account has been intercepted as well as your official one? I have sent you a couple of personal emails in the last two months and I would like you to let me know on here if you received them. I know how busy you are and don't need a reply as I said in the last one. I just want to know that you received them

L

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Could it be noted that this site will not publish references to the color of a person's skin.

Stuart

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Sorry - but I must repeat - I will not publish irrelevant references to a person's ethnicity.

Stuart

Proud Survivor said...

"Sunday Times, London, 30 November 1969
JERSEY ENDS BIRCHING
Birching will be abolished soon on the Channel Island of Jersey. And although the use of the birch will remain legal for a time, the Island's Solicitor-General Mr Vernon Tomes said yesterday that it will never be used again."
(From the Judicial Archives)

The birch was last used in Jersey in 1966.

This is in answer to the poster who asked about it

Anonymous said...

Secret Police Files.

Haven't we been told time and time again that if we have nothing to hide we have nothing to fear.

Its nice when reality bites back.

Anonymous said...

So Stuart.. you won't let me mention the ethnicity of Messrs Bonjour and Minty ( probably both were born in St.Saviours as were the rest of us) but please let me mention the quote in the rag tonight that together they formed 'Joint Intelligence'.

Jill Gracia said...

Off tack a bit Stuart, but what time do you appear in the Magistrate's Court tomorrow please?

Apart from the obvious disquiet of States Members over this latest revelation, what earthly reason can there be for witholding information held on them, and saying they can only view 'some' of it.

If it was gotten outside the letter of the 'law' and not in accord with police processes, surely you and all others have every right to have sight of this.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

10.00 am is when it kicks off, but I'll try and get there a bit earlier.

I don't know when my case will be called - probably way down the list to keep me waiting as long as possible.

Right - I'm going to fall down in court - and claim I have terminal bladder cancer - and only 6 months left to live.

That way, they'll let me off - Scott-free - end of problem!

I mean, hell - if that approach is good enough for child raping scum buckets like Alan McGuire - it's just got to work in the case of something so trivial as forgetting to renew your driving license, Right?

Err...

OK - probably not - in my case.

You know, Weirdcop and his storm-troopers are still refusing to disclose to me all evidence I consider necessary to my defence.

And the woman in charge of the CJU, which deals with disclosures by the Police - didn't appear to understand - when I spoke with her this morning - the basic principle that a defence side is entitled to all evidence.

She labours under the delusion that the police and prosecution can make the decision as to what evidence is - or is not - relevant to the defence.

It just gets better and better.

Strasbourg here we come!

Stuart

Anonymous said...

Helen at CJU is a regular know all... but she seems to got it horribly wrong this time!

Anonymous said...

Funny to hear Dick from the Docks on Radio Jersey acting as raporteur fro the Shenton dynasty.

still playing the populist politician... talking a lot but not saying much!

Anonymous said...

sounds like Helen going the extra Miles to toe the party line....

Anonymous said...

maybe the Minister for Home Affairs was discretely cautioning his fellow politicans not to push Power too far as he still holds a few aces.....

Anonymous said...

Deputy Le Claire made some very interesting comments about the failure of hospital management and the opression that obliges clinicians to stay silent.

If only The Minister for Health would listen and act

Anonymous said...

JEP Editorial usual partisan crap...

commmenting on the Blast Files debacle he still managed to take a swipe at Graham Power and Lenny Harper.

he should be advised that the truth will out and he is not immune from the fall-out.

Anonymous said...

Surely a "summons" should have been sent recorded delivery "signed for" or a member of the Constabulary should of turned up on your doorstep and handed you personally the summons. This way they can be sure that the summonds has been delivered.

Perhaps they knew by "not" putting a stamp on it - you may not get it, therefore they would be guilty of failing to comply with the service of a summons, that is of course if Jersey has any "laws" relating to this.
They seem to be very "remiss" in a lot of laws, Freedom of Speech, Human Rights for starters.

Anonymous said...

oh the irony... all this talk of "Inteligence" when talking about the Jersey Police.

Anonymous said...

I hope Harper comments on this, he must have been following orders from the UK?

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