THE “SECOND INDIVIDUAL”
BEHIND THE “OPERATION BLAST” FILES;
Secret Police Reports on Politicians
And Members of the Public.
So – I can now confirm that the “second individual” behind the “Operation Blast” secret files on Jersey politicians is – Bill Ogley.
The Chief Executive to the Council of Ministers and the island’s senior civil servant.
Following the revelation of the existence of these secret files, Graham Power wrote a memorandum to the Home Affairs Minister explaining why the files existed – and who had asked for their compilation.
He said that there were two individuals expressly behind the request for the files to be compiled – former Senator and Chief Minister, Frank Walker.
And Bill Ogley.
Ogley – knowing that this information effectively terminates his career – has taken desperate and futile steps to keep his identity secret. This has even included threatening the JEP with injunctions and legal action if they named him.
Well, I said it was a plainly doomed attempt on the part of the “second individual” to keep their identity secret.
And sure enough – thanks to the Quite Vile Blog – Jersey people can now know that the man we pay £250,000 a year - as a – supposedly – non-political head of the civil service is, in fact, more akin to something from the old East German Stasi.
As I said – this is, effectively, the end of his career. How can we have a head of the civil service who is politicised and demands that secret files are kept on all politicians and certain members of the public?
And it is not as though the Operation Blast exercise is his only failing.
The man is an extremely well-documented liar – as I will demonstrate with some powerful evidence in a later posting.
He is incompetent, unethical – and in classic Jersey civil service fashion – always puts the support and protection of his senior civil service colleagues over and above the public interest. No matter how grossly incompetent, dishonest and unethical they are – he supports them through thick and thin.
To the profound detriment of the public good.
And to those who might be tempted to think senior civil servants wanting to keep intelligence files on all your politicians is no big deal – just remember – Britain hasn’t fought consistently and steadfastly to be a free and democratic society only to have unelected functionaries effectively usurping your democratic power and undermining your democratically chosen representatives.
And – let us not forget, the Operation Blast files are not confined solely to your politicians – they might well have a Blast file on you.
Ogley must go now.
And, frankly – it will be a case of good riddance.
I shall write in more detail about this subject later this week.
Stuart.
Tuesday, 23 June 2009
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STATEMENT FROM JANE MAGUIRE IN JEP TODAY..
In loving memory of Alan Maguire who sadly (NOT) passed away on sun 14th June after many years off chronic illness, we would like to express our SINCERE THANKS to our many friends includin the children & staff from blanche pierre childrens home who have steadfastly SUPPORTED alan and jane through very difficult times (YEAH RIGHT) finally alan is at peace.. the maguire family..
ROT IN HELL
How bloody dare you....
you think this is over
None off us from Blanche pierre belive this is true, we want to see the DEATH CERTIFICATE, we have been told before just because there is a statement in the paper we have to belive it.... at the end off the day he may be gone but you are still hear
THIS IS SO FAR FROM OVER
DEJA VU
DEJA VU
AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
My blood is F**king Boiling
Do the names come from a reliable and verifiable source...
Intriguing that the JEP report of Aubins conviction mentioned that the court accepted that he had been abused by a staff member. Clearly the court believes in the guilt of this staff member! If the staff member is still alive surely they cannot avoid charging them. If they are dead then they can name them.
Oh, BTW - OGLEY MUST GO!
Face to the name
How does one go about finding out if you are a member of the public that they have an “OPERATION BLAST” FILE ON?
I for one would like to know if they have one on me, and if so I will happily post the file on the internet for all to see, I have no nasty things hidden in my closet, be interesting to view some States Members though, lol!
I would also like to know if there are secret documents on me - I strongly suspect that there are. I would like to know how to go about finding out about this as well.
Zoompad
The names? Ogley & Walker?
Yep - very reliably sourced.
Stuart
I too have read the obituary for Alan MacGuire and really cannot understand why it was wordced quite as it was.
If it was absolutely necessary to place something in the paper, it should have kept as 'low key' as possible, rather than yet again, even in death, survivors of this man and his wife's abuse are being kicked in the teeth.
Sickening, thoughtless and insensitive.
Be angry anonymous - VERY angry.
Ha! I bet FW's file has no reference to his abilities with a cricket bat!
about time those two machivelian shysters got caught out...
Ogley is so far up Walkers backside.....but he may well have gone too far this time.
Yes - McGuire's statement is of itself yet further evidence of what an unrepentant, arrogant, foul, obnoxious liar and maniac she is.
Firstly - I have to say I share the wish to know of his death - for certain.
I hope very much that the survivors will demand of the Jersey Police that - amongst their really crucial work - like taking me to court for forgetting to renew my driving licences - they might find some time to obtain a death certificate?
As a child abuser - who only wasn't extradited and charged because of Jersey's corrupt establishment - the cops have a duty of care to ensure that the claims of his death are actually true.
If the survivors win the legal battle against Jack Straw - and all the prosecution decisions are revisited - the cops will need to know if the abusers are alive or dead.
As to McGuire's statement - even if her psychopath of a husband is dead - what she says is still a pack of lies.
The only "staff" who will have been supporting this disgusting pair will be those who were responsible for permitting and concealing their abuse crimes for all those years.
People like Anton Skinner, Marnie Baudians, child rapist Geoff Spencer - and, no doubt, a few other concealers as well.
Having read the evidence files - I can state quite clearly that much of the key evidence came from at least two, decent, honest front-line staff; people who had made repeated log and diary entries expressing their concerns at certain aspects of the McGuires' conduct.
Indeed - it was this testimony which eventually forced Skinner and Spencer to confront the issue in 1990 - when they let the pair of maniacs off - and didn't tell the police.
As far as children who were in that bloody institution are concerned - I have personally met many of them, adults now, obviously - and have listened first-hand to their experiences.
Two things come across extremely strongly.
Firstly the consistency of their testimony. And just how well that testimony matches that of the good front-line staff.
Secondly - what a sickening decade of atrocities these children - innocents in need of care - were subjected to.
Jane McGuire knows perfectly well that her claims in the death notice are a wicked pack of lies - just yet another vicious and arrogant attempt to mock and taunt her victims.
Zero sign of repentance.
Not good - I would have thought - for a Catholic.
Like her husband - she's going to burn in hell for eternity.
Stuart
Jayne Maguire must have known that her notice would cause further pain to Alan's victims.. it really says all you need to know about the woman.
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I just want to say.... I hope he rots in hell too!!!!!
I am not an abuse victim but have been following the abuse cases and I am disgusted that this was allowed to be printed for the world to see....How dare they print blatant lies???? It is obvious that if the Maguire’s have been brought up on charges more than once and even investigated by panorama, then “protected” by the States to “Save their OWN Ars*s” that the abused victims of this evil monster would NOT be putting kind and thoughtful words in the local newspaper about his death…it would be more like a rejoice!
Does this ludicrous society we live in really think that the people of the world are so bl**dy stupid that they would believe once AG decided to drop a legit case to “save face” opps sorry “there was not enough evidence” the Maguire’s victims would become best buddies with their abusers in a mere matter of weeks?!?!!?!?!? It appears to me that the case was dumped was because the MONSTERS were employed by the States of Jersey and as usual the words “COVER UP” & “SAVE YOUR ARS*” spring to mind. Unlike the recent case where one man was prosecuted (with less evidence than the Maguire Case) …but its ok guy’s coz the State of our precious Island did not employ him!!!!!!!!!!
This kind of cr*p reminds me of the Russian Revolution in 1917 (shown in George Orwell’s Animal Farm) Our State of Jersey are showing the same mentality that “THEY” will only tell us mere “MINIONS” what they want us to know and believe denying the media to be objective and state all facts in detail, like reporters should be doing…..It is Undeniably Outrageous…and I am sickened to my core!
My heart goes out to all the victims of Abuse….and I never really write on here but at this time I have say my bit so that this blogger and others like him/her know people do care….
I am a catholic and am embarrassed that these monsters shadow behind God and religion, the catholic church should banish them all…including the Bonners!!!! God is the depiction of goodness and love…what these people have done is fair from anything the Catholic Church or any other love orientated religion condones. They are filled with hate and evilness…….it makes my blood boil and my heart ache that the victims of these monsters are not getting the justice they deserve… and the likes of the Bonners and Maguire’s hide like callus snakes behind the cloak of the churches.
Final statement……………RIP!?!?! NO WAY MAN….. May the Devil eat the flesh of your bones whist you rot in hell you evil son of a b*tch!!!!
Stuart
Keep up the good work. When can we expect your Mickey Birt entry? Good luck.
I know its important but the heading of this is Bill Ogley not the Maquires etc which is commented elsewhere and absolutely rightly so!
However, that the most senior civil servant has been instrumental in generating a police 'operation' covertly investigating people who have put themselves forward to serve the community (which most do even if in a misguided way , the corrupt are a different matter and should be exposed legally not by 'bag limit free' fishing).
That a 'mercenary' (pen for hire) civil servant should do this demands immediate termination (in contract terms although I can think of a Kurusowa Film that the ending was less savoury).
This is heinous !!!!
States chief executive Bill Ogley
Review is launched into chief officers expenses.
Operation Blast:
Will the Jersey media name Walker & Ogley?
Will the States hold them responsible & publicly reprimand them?
If this goes beyond the power of Chief Minister & Chief Executive will they be punished?
What a lot of Justice to hope for!
According to the BBC website the French authorities have confirmed this awful mans death. He reminds me of a devious unpleasant I know who likes to parade himself as holier than thou whilst in reality he is a rather nasty amoral piece of work. He is also well protected by corrupt officials.
Stuart.
Thanks to our ruling elite and it's media I can no longer take anything at face value.
I'm not convinced Alan McGuire is dead (AGAIN!) and I'm not convinced the Obituary in the FILTHY RAG was penned by the Mcguire family.
Why was Blanch Pierre and the pupils mentioned? among other things. It could have been a very sick joke or it could also have been penned by B.Riantz from 29 Belmont road in an attempt to further demoralize abuse victims and their supporters.
It is a sad, sad,state of affairs when one can no longer believe anything published by our local media.
As for Bill Ogley well he really is a card. I asked to video a scrutiny hearing he was giving evidence at and he refused permission. Ben Shenton, who was chairing the meeting never asked why he refused filming and just bowed to his whim.
I asked Ogley why he refused me permission to film and he said something along the lines of "because I said so" I then told him the next time I ask him a question it will be on camera. I am as good as my word and if/when I get the opportunity to put the allegation to him that he is the "second person" in the setting up of "operation blast" i shall do so, anybody know where he hangs out? I also want to ask him if he was served a notice of disclosure involving MARIO LUNDY being a child abuse suspect.
Again my thoughts are with the victims, who I believe are starting to realise they are gaining more and more support.
Saturday July the 4th mid day people's park, and again on Monday the 6th of July in the Royal Square
So... Big Frankie and his side kick Bogley appear to have been corrupt.... Frankie appears to have tried to weasel his way out of it... deny, deny deny... luckily Graham Power is not known for shredding useful paperwork...
think Some people may have picked on the wrong people!
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine
Well, you seem pretty sure of your facts Stuart, so on the assumption Mr Le Marquand is going to be open and honest on this matter, and given Frank Walker's absolute denial that he was involved, it would appear 'Our Frank' has truly shafted himself!
Richardson is lined up for Ogley's job, and will take over just before Ogley gets his Jersey Quals.
But who will take over from Pollard when he soon goes, hopefully someone local.
THE “SECOND INDIVIDUAL”
BEHIND THE “OPERATION BLAST” FILES;
Secret Police Reports on Politicians
And Members of the Public.
So – I can now confirm that the “second individual” behind the “Operation Blast” secret files on Jersey politicians is – Bill Ogley.
The very fact it was called an operation indicates that it was a collective of people to carry out the task. You confirm the second individual but I don't believe this "operation" was carried out by the two, so far, named persons,alone. I'm sure it will go a lot further and as it does, sooner or later will we hear the old chesnut, "I was only following orders".
Forgive me but I am really beginning to enjoy the cracks in the establishments dam.
So Bill gets to use taxpayers money to keep his name out of the press.
In an age of transparency in Government why is he so frightened of publicity!
BILL OGLEY
JEP - 30 PIECES OF SILVER
Did they check the facts before the money changed hands.
CRASS doesn't come close
Does the editor have no shame
Didn't even Pol Pot, Hitler and other psychopathic monsters leave behind someone willing enough to make up a flattering obituary? That means nothing. The TRUTH is everything.
As for the tie between some McGuire comments and the topic of Bill Ogley, both topics are relevant because the Quite Vile Blog is mostly about exposing the TRUTH, and all topics relating to the TRUTH in Jersey are tied to the victims of institutionalised abuse and cover-ups.
Walker goes...Ogley & Pollard go to pieces.
Will JEP (Chris Bright) name his mates Walker and Ogley??
Not a Chance...
he is already sucking-up to the Civil Service saying how fair their expenses claims are...
In the UK the Civil Service has a code that all grades are expected to adhere to
Here's an interesting extract
Political Impartiality
You must:
serve the Government, whatever its political persuasion, to the best of your ability in a way which maintains political impartiality and is in line with the requirements of this Code, no matter what your own political beliefs are;
act in a way which deserves and retains the confidence of Ministers, while at the same time ensuring that you will be able to establish the same relationship with those whom you may be required to serve in some future Government; and comply with any restrictions that have been laid down on
your political activities.
You must not:
act in a way that is determined by party political considerations, or use official resources for party political purposes; or allow your personal political views to determine any advice you give or your actions.
Any elected members care to comment
I hope you've got documentary evidence against Bill Ugly. If not, Graham Power is toast.
Stuart is this the same guy that ripped up the notes of the meeting when Graham Power was suspended? Surely it this is Ugly, surely he should lose his job and FW should be brought into account as well!!!
Though it seems strange to me to say this - let us reserve judgment on the JEP.
They did break the Frank Walker part of the story - and appear to have been under the legal cosh in respect of attempting to expose Ogley.
So - as with CTV and their award-wining article on the horrors of birching - praise where praise is due.
Let us wait and see what the JEP do tomorrow.
Stuart
I believe Ogley's wife work in a states department too !!
BBC Jersey news, re: Maguire:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/jersey/8114895.stm
faces behind the names
i have been following your blog senator syvret ,for a year now ,and it has totally opened my eyes ,but one thing that frustrates me ,is that none of the seriously bad stuff that you reveal on here ,ever gets a mention or reaches to the wider audience that do not have access to a computer so how can things ever really change over here ?{my parents are a prime example of believing everything they read as gospel in the rag ,and its that generation that vote ,so how are things ever going to change ?they wont
also why don't the few decent politicians ,that support your views ,ever do so in public ?
on the same note ,and i mean this with total respect to every abuse victim we have on this island ,why dont you all demand justice ,instead of keeping polite and quiet ,you have nothing to be ashamed of for going public ,its the filthy scum that have abused you and most of the cover up elite that should be ashamed ,you make it very easy for jersey to hide it all away please be brave ,as most right minded people over here ,totally support and wish justice for you all .much love xxx
Don’t really believe that McGuire is dead , if he truly is then I hope that some of his victims can have some peace now.
Dead or Alive we will still be there on the 4th July for all the victims of abuse in Jersey that have been let down by our Government
NO PROSECUTIONS
Shame on you!
Damocles said...
"Intriguing that the JEP report of Aubins conviction mentioned that the court accepted that he had been abused by a staff member. Clearly the court believes in the guilt of this staff member!"
As I said before, people including myself will have named Aubin's abuser many times. As a potential witness (I never give up hope) I cannot name anyone here but if they are alive they MUST face prosecution and if they are dead they MUST be named. This is a travesty of justice - you couldn't make it up!
Anonymous said..
"…what these people have done is fair from anything the Catholic Church or any other love orientated religion condones...".
I mean no disrespect to you as a believer- but you are wrong..the fact is that the Catholic Church does condone AND cover up child abuse-again and again!.
To Deja Vu and all the children of Blanche Pierre...
I am horrified by that crass message in the JEP. How very dare they? Whether Alan Maguire is dead or not this notice is in very poor taste even for someone like Jane Maguire. I have to agree with the poster who suggests it may have come from B.Riantz or his ilk.
As if you need a kick in the teeth at the moment when your abusers have been let off the charges yet again!
Hang in there - a lot of us are right there with you. All together now:
aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh!
L
X
Did Aubin go to Victoria College?
Mike Pollard - how many guitar lessons were missed due to emergency meetings.
How many were claimed for - is there a difference
Oh for a freedom of information law!
Ian Le Marquand - friend or foe
Did he disclose to discredit?
Did he disclose to stop privacy intusion?
Investigated care home man dies
The cynic in me says, would it not be very convenient for someone to die soon after knowing they would not be asked to appear in court to answer for their crimes and before the issue could be highlighted on the international stage.!!!
Strange that the Maguire’s did not want to be found, yet now wish to advertise one is dead.
'finally alan is at peace.. the maguire family..'
Lets hope he was very unpeaceful for a number of years before, shame he's cheated justice. His wife's still around though......
Anonymous said...
"Did Aubin go to Victoria College?"
Did he heck as like? Not unless he won a scholarship! In those days Most of the HDLG boys went to Grouville School and then on to St Helier Boys. Correct me if I'm wrong.
So what is my initial thought and why has the rag not published?
What exactly has happened here I thought Bill and the boys had everything neatly sewn up so how come this bit of unsavoury news has got out.
Has Ian Le Marquand refused to be part of the Walker/Ogley dynasty....is he carrying th esword for truth and justice......does he man THERE WILL BE NO COVER UPS....meanwhile our Chief Minister appears to have very little to say about anything..he has the media and social skills of a wombat!
So Alan Maguire is dead then, is he?
Ok, who signed the death certificate then?
Public information, I think we are entitled to know that under the Freedom of Information Act!
Zoompad
"I would also like to know if there are secret documents on me - I strongly suspect that there are. I would like to know how to go about finding out about this as well.
Zoompad"
Extremely unlikely: you are not a Jersey resident.
"So Alan Maguire is dead then, is he?
Ok, who signed the death certificate then?
Public information, I think we are entitled to know that under the Freedom of Information Act!
Zoompad"
Death certificates are indeed in the public domain. All you have to do is to apply to the relevant registry, pay the fees and 'voila'!
Now Stuart come clean we all know in the eyes of the Establishment you were the other man. I mean you get blamed for everything else why should this be do different. lol
Seriously the BO man hopefully will be deodorized and he will then B.....Off to hopefully some undisclosed island - preferably off the coast of Siberia to spend the rest of his days writing his memoirs. We wish, no doubt he will squirm and wriggle, threaten you with a writ, next week it will be forgotten about, he will be welcombed back with open arms and the States will buy him an even bigger shredder.
Stupid question, when will people realise that liberals are selling us down the river, Isn't it obvious? stand up and be counted, Its disgusting!
Now that Mr M is dead, why can't Jane face a jury?
"I would also like to know if there are secret documents on me - I strongly suspect that there are. I would like to know how to go about finding out about this as well.
Zoompad"
Extremely unlikely: you are not a Jersey resident."
No I'm not, and neither were the other West Midlands children who were taken to Haut de la Garenne and abused!
I might not live in Jersey but I am one of the Pindown survivors - and the same things that were going on in that dog house were going on all over the UK.
So the "divide and conquer" tactics are not really going to work on any of us any more because we Pindown survivors are turning the tables now and ganging up on the abusers!
I know darned well that I am held on secret files, because of things which have been said to me - little cock ups which are like gold dust to me. Wether it is Operation Blast or Operation Nosy Parker doesn't matter to me - I just want to know what they have been writing about me in secret.
So I am determined that I am going to find out what these nosy cretin control freaks have been up to.
Zoompad
“I mean no disrespect to you as a believer- but you are wrong..the fact is that the Catholic Church does condone AND cover up child abuse-again and again!.”
You are correct that the Catholic and Protestant Churches have bad reputations regarding abuse, which they have admitted and have tried to put things right.
These people that we are all discussing were not employed by any religious group church or organisation; they used the church as cover to pretend that they are good people.
I think that the blogger is not denying the church has been involved with similar situations in the past but seems outraged that the church has not stood up and showed support or defended the abused now.
I am not religious in the slightest but I do not believe that the Catholic Church actually condones this kind of behaviour as you do. I do agree with the blogger that if a church, be it Protestant, Methodist, Catholic whatever, knows who these monsters are they should actively banish them from anything to do with the church.
I understand that they preach god forgives repenters but these people are not sorry or remorseful therefore the church should actively and opening support the victims by making a stance to tell the abusers that they are not welcome.
"I know darned well that I am held on secret files, because of things which have been said to me" - Zoompad
Let us stick to the point: the fact that the JERSEY police have compiled files on JERSEY politicins.
Zoompad wrote about:
"West Midlands children (who) were taken to Haut de la Garenne and abused."
This is a new departure of which no one has written or spoken of up to now.
Would Zoompad care to provide us with "chapter and verse" authentication of her statement, please?
I am genuinely interested in following this up as I can not find any record of the transportation of children in care from the UK to Jersey.
A Message to the Local Media ( we know you visit here regularly)
The second person allegedly behind operation Blast is a senior civil servant. This is sensational news, but yet again the local media fails to ever report any of details about this, even if its to just to say the name has been published online.
If the local media continue on in this vain, you will become an irrelevance.
Please do your jobs for the sake of the people of Jersey. Stuart has given you the name now go and ask some probing questions.
And for those of you from BBC Jersey, if the six o'clock news team or Newsnight worked to the same rule book as you seem to. then there would be no news. Stop sitting on the fence and go and ask some questions.
jio
jio - what a pointless statement.
The local media may or may not visit this Blog. Your comment isn't going to make any difference to what they report on.
Get a life.
Posts like this, detract from the importance of Stuart's work.
Anonymous quoted Zoompad:
"West Midlands children (who) were taken to Haut de la Garenne and abused.
This is a new departure of which no one has written or spoken of up to now."
It has been mentioned in a number of articles on HDLG and I can't quote those sources chapter and verse but you could research it.
I do know that there were visits from parties of children from UK when I was there in the early 60's. I know that because I was there and I met them. It tended to be in the summer holidays and I believe there may have been an exchange with other care homes with our kids too. The group I remember most clearly were from London.
In fairness to the JEP and the other mainstream media, they could still be battling against injunctions and things of that nature.
Ogley and the rest of the oligarchs know they can't stop me - but they might belive they can achieve some damage limitation if they can still use the law to stop the other media.
Let us give them a day or or two to see what emerges.
Stuart
We are not here to create in-fighting!!! Can we get back to the subject of Bill Ogley & Frank Walker.
Were there any others higher up involved or was Frank the highest you could go?
The Oligarchy who are they? or are the high up politicians and their frieds in law and big business the Oligarchs?
I have googled it! 5 children from the Midlands illegally placed in care in Jersey. You can read the article for yourself
""West Midlands children (who) were taken to Haut de la Garenne and abused.
This is a new departure of which no one has written or spoken of up to now."
It has been mentioned in a number of articles on HDLG and I can't quote those sources chapter and verse but you could research it."
As Zoompad mentioned it for the first time in this forum I am sure that he/she would be only too pleased to tell us the source.
He/she claims to have been a person who was shipped from the West Midlands to Haut de la Garenne.
You couldnt make it up could you ..........I still want to know why this was brought to the attention of Ian Le Marquand, under what exact circumstances....
Maybe his gripe with the SOJ Police has actually been with the civil service staff assigned to SOJ.
If the Soc Gen is a member of The Establishment then he is hardly likely to 'rat' on his colleagues and I beleive that it was in a letter to I Le M that the Soc Gen divulged the existence of Operation Blast.
Come on Stuart what is your theory - why has this been allowed to surface, I would have also thought that Frankie and Billy would have been able to talk their way out of any frisson of bad press and locate some clause somewhere that would placate teh Editor of the rag and quell any momentum that the story may gather.
Lets face it and proposition for an enquiry put to the assembly would be denied by the COM and their assistant mininsters and constables.........
Operation Blast? Proactive Policework to me, whats the big deal? Police checks are common, why should Politicians be treated differently?
I was never aware Politicians are above the law...guess thats why they seems to debate their own arrests in the States Chamber, and have the cheek to say the Police are abusing there power.
If i'm arrested for speeding will you increase speed limits for me?
Anonymous said...
"..I do not believe that the Catholic Church actually condones this kind of behaviour as you do"..
I imagine we share many convictions but I strongly disagree with the above taken from your posting .
My rationale is simple.
If any church,organisation or individual is fully aware of any form of child abuse taking place and does not do all in its power to stop the abuse,protect the children and bring the abusers to justice then they are guilty of condoning the abuse by ommission.
Simply "banishing them from anything to do with the church" or "telling them they are not welcome" is not enough.
Child abuse is an extremely serious crime and should never be covered up to avoid embarrassment or for political expediency..wherever it occurs!.
Stop the abuse.
Protect the kids.
Bring the abusers to justice.
The silence from church and political leaders in Jersey-except Stu Syvret-is deafening-some moral compass they provide!.
E-Mail to Rob Shiply JEP and his response......
Hi My name is *********** and I am a victim off the Maguire's
can you please verify that the Maguire Letter was actually penned by the Maguire family and can you re-assure it can't be a sick joke.
I ask off this as We have all been hear before. We were told he had died years ago, and then this historical abuse came out and he was tracked down and looked fighting fit.
To put an add in the back off the paper don't you need to show a death certificate?
I need proof that it is true .
I need the truth I have no trust with the States and don't believe what i am hearing, I believe it's another attempt to cover things up.
Please I hope you can understand my paranoia, but if you were in my position no doubt you would be thinking the same
Please I look forward to your response
...................................
Good morning
I can understand your concern – as I think can understand how you feel about the case against the Maguires not having been pursued, though I believe that you can be reasonably certain that this was because of lack of evidence that would stand up in court rather than a cover-up.
I can, however, confirm that the death notice was genuine. We have measures in place to ensure that the personal notice columns are not used for fraudulent purposes, hoaxes or, indeed, sick jokes.
I do not think that you are being paranoid and I hope that my reassurance will, to an extent, put your mind at rest.
Yours sincerely,
Rob Shipley
Is it possible that the info about secret dossiers was released by ILM in order to bring BO down? Do these two see eye to eye?
Stuart.
I really must take issue with you. For some reason you appear to believe the local media will come good.
After just reading the e-mail correspondance between an abuse survivor and Deputy Editor of our only "news"paper ROB SHIPLEY, do you still believe they will "come good"?
Here is an abuse survivor in obvious anguish, possible paranoia, basically pleading with ROB SHIPLEY to help put her mind at least at a little bit of ease and what does this "journalist" do?
Does he say could we interview you as a piece for our "news"paper and get the thoughts of an alleged abuse victim, ask questions like "how do you feel your life has been molded" by the Jersey care system" "what is life like for people, like yourself, that have been through the Jersey "care" system" "why do you have no trust in the States of Jersey"? "This would make for a powerful "Saturday interview" and is of huge public concern"?
NO with all his "journalistic" knowledge and skills he comes up with....." though I believe that you can be reasonably certain that this was because of lack of evidence that would stand up in court rather than a cover-up".
If that is not a kick in the teeth from our only "news"paper and a strong message that "we support the establisment line" then I don't know what is!
ROB SHIPLEY and CHRIS BRIGHT, in my opinion, are scumbags of the highest order.
They're not going to "come good" Stuart, you can carry on trying to convince yourself they will but you'll never convince me.
My thoughts, anger and anguish are with all abuse survivors not least the one who got this latest kick in the teeth from, what I believe to be "the establishments mouth piece"
PLEASE EXCUSE CAPITALS _ USING THEM FOR CLARITY OF QUOTES, NOT SHOUTING
""West Midlands children (who) were taken to Haut de la Garenne and abused.
This is a new departure of which no one has written or spoken of up to now."
THAT'S NOT TRUE, IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED MANY TIMES
It has been mentioned in a number of articles on HDLG and I can't quote those sources chapter and verse but you could research it."
As Zoompad mentioned it for the first time in this forum
AGAIN, NOT TRUE
...I am sure that he/she would be only too pleased to tell us the source.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SOURCE AS SUCH, PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME OUT, BUT I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED IN SEVERAL NEWSPAPER REPORTS.
He/she claims to have been a person who was shipped from the West Midlands to Haut de la Garenne."
AGAIN, NOT TRUE - I HAVE SAID AGAIN AND AGAIN WHICH PINDOWN HELL HOLE I WAS IN - CHADSWELL ASSESSMENT CENTRE STAFFORDSHIRE(PLACE OF "SAFETY")
ZOOMPAD
"I have googled it! 5 children from the Midlands illegally placed in care in Jersey. You can read the article for yourself"
It would be helpful, and would add credibility, if you would provide the URL to back this up, please.
After all, we are trying to find out the TRUTH - aren't we?
"Let us stick to the point: the fact that the JERSEY police have compiled files on JERSEY politicins."
Apparently, NOT just politicians.
I understand that the files have been compiled on other people, apart from politicians.
You stick to your point if you want to, ANONYMOUS (whoever you are), but don't you go telling me where to stick my point, if you don't mind I will stick my point where I flipping well please - 40 years of malicious vindictive persecution is 40 years too much and I don't want any more bullying about points being stuck willy nilly off you.
I KNOW I have had files compiled on me, and for that reason this Operation Blast is of personal interest to me. I might not be on that dossier, but I know I've had a paperwork stalker snooping and stalking me.
Zoompad
Dear Stuart
Re saga of my complaint to the BBC about Talkback programme.
I've received a response from the editorial complaints unit.
It's in pdf form so I can't copy it directly so a bit of the edited highlights.
"Thank you for your letter of 27 May which we received on 3 June
Before I explain how I propose to deal with your complaint I think it would be useful if I outlined the role of the Editorial Complaints Unit and the limits of its remit. The ECU investigates complaints about material which is broadcast or published by the BBC to determine if there has been a serious breach of the standards expressed in the BBCs editorial guidelines. What we cannot do is take a view on matters of editorial judegement such as the selection of intervewees for a programme, or general complaints say of bias across output. We can only investigate where the complaint refers to a specific item broadcast or published by the BBC.
This means that it is not for me to investigate your general complaint that a particular individual is precluded from participating in the stations output. However if you wish to pursue this matter I can refer it to the Head of Accountability in the BBC News who also has responsibility for the BBCs English regions. Please let me know if this is how you would like to proceed.
Your complaint about a specific episode of Talkback, does however fall within our remit and we shall be happy to investigate it.
To ensure that we do so on the basis of a correct appreciation of the issues the BBCs complaints procedure provides that at this stage we set out the main points of the complaint as we understand them and the elements of the Editorial Guidelines we believe to be most relevant to them. From the correspondence to date we understand your complaint to be that a contributor to Talkback was allowed to denigrate Senator Stuart Syvret without Senator Syvret being afforded a right of reply. We believe the relevant guidelines are those dealing with right of reply which say: ‘when we make allegations of wrong doing, iniquity or incompetence or lay out a strong and damaging critique of an individual or institution the presumption is that those criticized should be given a right of reply’
If you wish to consult them yourself the Editorial Guidelines can be seen in full at http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/.
If you have any comments on this summary of your complaint and the relevant guidelines, please let us have them by 1 July so that we can take them into consideration in the course of our investigation. We will aim to let you know the outcome of our investigation by 15 July
Yours Sincerely
Andrew Bell
Complaints Director"
Needless to say I will be responding and asking for the wider matter of editorial bias to be referred on to the Head of Accountability as offered in Mr Bells letter.
I would also value any comments about the summary of the complaint presented by Mr Bell, as my memory of the programme is somewhat hazy after all these months. So anyone else who heard the programme - it was the one with John Henwood being particularly odious - your views would be appreciated before the 1st of July.
I was also wondering Stuart if I could forward your contact details so Mr Bell could get in contact directly? (Hope springs eternal)
To be continued......
I will stick my point where I flipping well please - 40 years of malicious vindictive persecution is 40 years too much and I don't want any more bullying about points being stuck willy nilly off you.
Zoompad"
There has been more than enough hysteria in this debate. If we want to further the cause we need FACTS - hard, documented, attributable FACTS.
Nothing more.
Our enemies and our detractors are more than willing to pounce on unsubstantiated statements.
I believe our chief minister is a very good catholic, a member of St Patrick’s
Isn’t that the church the McGuire’s attended ?
When The States of Jersey's top, and highest paid civil servant, Bill Ogley, destroyed valuable minutes to a vital meeting, Home Affairs Minister, Ian Le Marquand said that what Ogley did was unacceptable. Therefore when The Home Affair Minister found out that Ogley along with Ex Chief Minister Frank Walker instigated "Operation Blast", Le Marquand really had to take action.
What a mumbled jumbled sequence of Blog. Where is the clarity here? What on earth is an innocent obsever meant to make of this?
"I do not believe that the Catholic Church actually condones this kind of behaviour as you do"
Well if Catholic Nuns are anything to go by, I have personally found them to be rather sadistic in nature. So am not suprised about their some Catholics questionable actions.
'ROB SHIPLEY and CHRIS BRIGHT, in my opinion, are scumbags of the highest order.'
Well, the saying is so true VFC -'Where there's no sense, there's no feeling'
That was quite evident after the editorial regarding the non-prosecution of the Maguires.
I am sorry I did not give an URL for the article in the Daily Mail from August last year about the Midlands children who were placed in care in Jersey. I was rushing out to work and am not very good at URLS!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041035/Birmingham-counci...
Perhaps computer genius would help an elderly woman with this one!
Zoompad was certainly not the first person to mention this. I sometimes wonder if people read all that people write or just skim through. If they read carefully it would save a lot of needless wrangling. Zoompad for one does not need attacking!
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In fact if you read the Daily Mail article you will see that it also confirms my memory of exchanges between UK children in care homes and HDLG. "They literally changed beds". I seem to remember there were staff with them so other kids in UK must have been subjected to one or two of ours too!
Daily Mail Article
If the local press cannot/will not mention Ogley's name maybe it could be reported to other regional news stations, Guernsey for one or any local radio station in the uk that cares.
Thanks to the contributor(s) who gave the URL to the 'Daily Mail' story.
I am pleased to offer apologies for my earlier scepticism.
There is also thought to be connections to Islington Council in London - who knows how many other UK councils where involved...
Extract from the Daily Mail 2 March 2008
"We did, however, prove that every home included staff who were paedophiles, child pornographers or pimps. Concerned police secretly confirmed that several Islington workers were believed "networkers", major operators in the supply of children for abuse and pornography.
Some of these were from the Channel Islands or regularly took Islington children there on unofficial visits. In light of the grisly discoveries at Haut de la Garenne, the link now seems significant, but at the time we were so overwhelmed by abuse allegations nearer home that this connection never emerged.
What we did report prompted the sort of vehement official denials that have come to characterise child abuse claims. Margaret Hodge, then council leader, denounced us as Right-wing "gutter journalists" who supposedly bribed children to lie."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-523706/I-known-Jersey-paedophiles-15-years-says-award-winning-journalist.html
If I am correct Stuart, you have requested sight of your Operation Blast files.
Have you had any success in this regard yet, and if so have you/will you be able to access all the information held about you on there?
Are you encountering resistance or co-operation?
Honest Frank Walker eh??!!
"Zoompad for one does not need attacking!"
True, but it doesn't stop them attacking me.
I get attacked all the time on my own anti paedophile networks - they all love me (NOT!)I get the paedos ganging up on me, trying to make excuses for paedophilia, it makes me want to gag.
I think the reason I manage to stir up the anony moles is because I have been like a cockroach to them - I should have just gone away and died or something, the amount of times they've stamped on me and kicked me to pieces, and poisoned my life with their malicious vindictive persecution.
I should have been a very good and obedient institutional child abuse VICTIM and shuffled off into oblivion all broken and smashed.
Instead, I've turned into this nasty coming again and again in your face cockroach monster old woman, refusing to go away, refusing to die, just continuing to shout my head off about how I have been treated - in short, I have become an institutional child abuse SURVIVOR!
They don't like it, so they try to shut me up, and accuse me of hysteria and being pointless ect.
We don't have to be victims any more. We can rise like phoenix and use our lives to help other people who have been abused by doing so, because if other people see us not broken and crushed it lifts them up. I like playing my silly little Spongebob Squairpants ukelali and singing my satitical songs and making fun of the people who gave me so much grief. It might seem a silly thing, but it makes me feel that they haven't broken my spirit, because I can still laugh, even if sometimes it is at myself (I am not really very good on the uke and my voice isn't that great either!)
I do not want a single one of those people who were abused at Haut de la Garenne to commit suicide, thinking that their lives are all ruined and worthless. My life isn't worthless, I used to think that it was, when I was all smashed up, but thanks to some very kind folk, like Stuart, and other people who have helped folk like me to get our voices heard, I feel that I have become a member of the human race again. I want to use the rest of my life to help other people who have been smashed up by abuse. I make videos and sing songs to that purpose, and in my tiny way I feel that my life now has some point to it.
I don't care if I get attacked any more, especially by folk who haven't even got the guts to give any indication of their identity. Not in any way having a chip at anonymous posters though - I know many abused people will not want to be identified, totally totally understand that, and I don't mean those people. I mean the ones who come to places like this anonymously and try to attack other posters, people who have been through hell, for the nastiness of it. All I can think when that happens is that song, "I am a mole and I live in a hole) and it just makes me laugh!
Zoompad
Thanks for that inspiration Zoompad and yes you are so right about being a SURVIVOR!!! They hate the fact that we have grown up with the torture they placed upon us yet we remain strong and defiant.
Now we are adults who can and will fight back…
“When we were lost in a world of pain but from the ashes we rise again.”
I don't wish to offend contributors, but I think we could do with a break from some of the hostile and inter-personal correspondence - at least for a couple of weeks.
I think we need to get back to the issues for a while.
Thanks
Stuart
Have I been looking at 'Operation Blast' the wrong way here ? In tonights rag the inference is that a minister/politician was susceptible to blackmail, Would Messrs Walker and Ogley regarded this as negative or positive?It depends on the politician involved doesn't it.
One always assumes Machiaevellan angles but it could just be crass opportunism that relates to that time, where others had tried to exploit an angle and W/O thought 'Whats going on here?.
Knowing how insecure lawyers offices can be all manner of private information can 'leak out' . I just hope the politician involved can't be damaged should the terminally wounded Ogleybeast turn in its dying throes and strike out with its scaly tail!
did you check their warrant?
A mate of mine had two police turn up at his house they presented their warrant and it was dated for the following day. he smiled pointed out the error and said that he'd have the tea ready (tomorrow) should they turn up at arround the same time.
Pollard again - this time from 2001
He really is a failure waiting to happen or happening in Jersey - fortunately Essex didn't put the matter behind them and got rid a couple of years later - unfortunately it is us that got him
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Colchester: Old medical notes scandal
From the archive, first published Wednesday 1st Aug 2001.
An incident in which medical records were left lying around a disused hospital has been branded "inexcusable, unacceptable and indefensible".
An urgent inquiry was launched after confidential medical files were found scattered at the derelict St Mary's Hospital, Colchester.
Mike Pollard, Essex Rivers Healthcare NHS Trust chief executive, said the reputation of the organisation has been rocked by the records scandal.
He said: "We don't believe any individual has been personally compromised by this stuff floating around inside.
"Patients rightly expect us to keep any information relating to them, however insignificant, in secure conditions. Any breach of this is inexcusable, unacceptable and indefensible.
"I do think the incident damages people's confidence in the Essex Rivers Healthcare Trust and we would do best to put the the matter behind us."
A three-member investigation team was formed to investigate how the confidential files were left at the disused hospital.
The inquiry concluded:
Trust departments did not ensure notes were transferred to a safe storage place and none accepted responsibility for the St Mary's site, resulting in a lack of accountability.
Large quantities of patients' notes were stored for more than three years in an insecure area of St Mary's and no routine checks were made on their security.
The inquiry report, made public at a board meeting yesterday (Monday), also reveals Trust chiefs knew of the St Mary's situation last June.
Board chairman Mike Salmon added: "It is a most regrettable event. We have got to learn from it. We ask these recommendations may be implemented as a matter of great urgency."
The Trust board unanimously accepted seven recommendations fo improvements made by the inquiry.
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I AM A SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL, MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL CHILD ABUSE .I WROTE THIS POEM .IT IS ENTITLED WHO AM I ? by Natalie Hampson 2009
I Am the child who lives in ur street, you all pass me by ,you people with big feet.
Am i the child who lonely and sad,look closer there is something bad.
Iam the child with brown eyes and rosy cheeks, the chatterbox often told not to speak.
Iam the child who feels dirty inside.
Am i the child who has no friends of my own, i sit and watch others but im always alone .
Iam the child whos spirit is dead, my secret unknown , my tomorows full of dread.
Tell whats wrong this feeling i hide , look closer , what do you see the child in the mirror or the child inside me .
Who am i ? Iam an innocent child
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