Thursday, 25 June 2009

CULTURE OF CONCEALMENT, 2009.

JERSEY CHILD PROTECTION FAILURES:

NO ONE WANTS TO LOOK UNDER THE ROCK.

The Jersey Parliament;

Still Failing Vulnerable Children.


In case I hadn’t communicated this in a clear and uncryptic manner previously, fighting the child protection battle as I have during the last two years has been personally exhausting.

I say this, not because I’m looking for a medal – fighting for the proper protection of vulnerable children – and justice for the abused - is simply no more than one would expect of any decent person.

But after breaking the trail in this campaign for two years – in the teeth of rabid opposition and hostility from the Jersey oligarchy and their “friends at court at Whitehall” – I was hoping to have been able to hand over the baton a long time ago.

There is only so much that one person can do – especially when the “reward” for your efforts consists of such things as getting arrested and held in locked cells for seven hours whilst the police turn over your home – without a warrant – because you might have broken the data protection law when exposing wrongdoing.

Politically and personally, the costs of fighting this battle have been immense – not only for me, but for those close to me.

So every few months during the last two years I have looked for certain successes – certain events – certain stages at which I could step back from the front, confident that the correct actions would be taken, or that others would take up the fight.

My most recent great hope that the truth would be exposed, the lessons learnt – and the necessary changes be made – was in the States of Jersey’s formal Scrutiny system.

I should have known better – but I imagined that once a Scrutiny Panel – the Jersey parliament’s equivalent of a Select Committee – had been charged with the task of uncovering what really went wrong, I could relax a little; step back and let others take the issues forward.

Predictably – that was another vain hope.

The relevant Scrutiny Panel – Chaired by Senator Alan Breckon – quite remarkably didn’t actually want to formally scrutinise the States response to the Jersey Child Abuse Disaster. I had to argue in the Assembly for the issues to be referred to Scrutiny.

And so, frankly bizarre, was the reluctance to scrutinise the policies that even a majority of States members agreed with me and declined to debate the proposals until they’d been reviewed.

The response, methodology and attitude of the panel has been atrocious. Really – so inept and inadequate as to be stunning.

Hence the self-explanatory e-mail I reproduce below.

Today I wrote to all States members, and explained just why I – and others – couldn’t engage with this Scrutiny Panel.

The belligerent indifference exhibited by the Panel towards the task it is charged with undertaking cannot be regarded as anything other than a further manifestation – in the year 2009 – of the Culture of Concealment.

Often during the last two years many people have said to me, “Where are the other States members? What are the rest of Jersey’s politicians doing?”

In response, I have defended a minority of States members – saying, “well, some of them at least share our concerns; they’re on our side. It’s just that they prefer to approach the subject in a different way.”

In truth – I’ve said this more frequently in hope – rather than in experience.

As I contemplate the general response of Jersey’s politicians to the child protection disaster – I can only honestly say that there are four of us who have exhibited the appropriate commitment and genuine concern.

Two – who prefer to keep a low profile – but are actually taking the issues seriously.

And me and one other.

The other being Deputy Paul Le Claire, who has publicly fought for the interests of vulnerable children – and has, through his political pressure, achieved great advances for children in need of effective legal representation.

That’s four people – out of a total of 53.

Whither the other 49?

I just can’t answer that question.

But I can inform you just what I think of the performance of the relevant Scrutiny Panel – as you can see in my e-mail below.

Stuart.

From: Stuart Syvret
Sent: 25 June 2009 10:48
To: All States Members (including ex officio members)
Subject: Child Protection and the Failure of Scrutiny


Dear Colleague

I felt I should inform you that, sadly, I will be unable to contribute to the work of Senator Breckon's Scrutiny Panel in its examination of child protection matters. I will explain why this is so.

I was already troubled by the quite startling reluctance of Scrutiny to examine these issues, when the un-policied funding proposals were tabled for debate.

Nevertheless, the States had the wisdom to recognise that a subject this important required formal scrutiny. However, the reluctance of the panel to fully and enthusiastically engage with this task has remained all too evident.

Firstly, the woeful inadequacy of the panel's work is illustrated in the fact that so few witnesses have been examined; there are at time of writing, merely 10 headings described on the web site. Of those 10, only two - the NSPCC and the Jersey Care Leavers could be said to represent the interests of vulnerable children. A further exception could be made in respect of Professor Thoburn. That leaves 7 individuals/organisations which represent the edifice of the customary States/quasi-States interests in this subject.

This is not to say these individuals/organisations should not be interviewed; rather, it displays the utter inadequacy of the panel's work and methodology that the vast majority of evidence so far taken - has been from representatives of the very self-same apparatus which has so catastrophically failed.

It must also be pointed out that the quality and standard of the cross-examination, as is evident from the transcripts, is so inept as to be laughable in a tragic kind of way.

Notwithstanding the above observations, I have engaged in repeated e-mail correspondence with the panel in an attempt to be able to come before it and provide evidenced and informed testimony.

Sadly - all my efforts were a waste of time.

Though I could go into great detail - I will confine my observations to three factors.

1: My duty of care to survivors and other witnesses.

I am in close contact with a significant number of survivors and witnesses. Many of these people are those who have been repeatedly betrayed by the Jersey public administration apparatus again and again over the decades. Whilst the JCLA represent a small number of ex-residents, and a smaller number of actual survivors, the JCLA can, in no way, claim to be representative of a broad cross-section of potential witnesses.

That leaves us in a position where the vast majority of the most important and relevant witnesses have not been courted by the panel and have not been interviewed.

This is a ridiculous state of affairs. Tragic, in fact - to look at the panel's web site - and observe the absence of dozens of other interviews which should have taken place - and, instead see the great majority of the panel's interviewing time consumed with passively accepting a load of diversionary and vacuous guff - from the very people and organisations responsible for the catastrophic failures, and the concealment of those failures.

I have repeatedly asked my self this question: - "Should I be pro-actively suggesting to survivors or advising them that they should attend the panel and give testimony?"

I would very much have liked the answer to that question to be "yes".

However - in many of the most relevant cases we are dealing with people of all ages who have been repeatedly betrayed - time and again over the years - by Jersey's public administration. The States, the Police, the prosecution service, the courts - the list goes on.

And - yet again - the vast majority of them are now being betrayed again by those self-same forces - notwithstanding the deeply distressing trauma endured by many of them in revisiting - again - what happened to them when giving interviews to the police.

I have had to ask myself: - "Would it be ethical of me to guide and advise survivors to give evidence to the panel - knowing perfectly well that the panel has precisely zero interest in doing a proper job - and would merely leave the survivors traumatised yet further at yet another betrayal by the States?"

The answer to that question can only be "no".

2: Flat refusal of panel to obtain highly relevant evidence.

I have, on several occasions, advised the panel on the identity and whereabouts of a variety of key evidence; evidence which goes to the very heart of the systemic and cultural failure by Jersey's public administration to protect and nurture vulnerable children. Absolutely core evidence which would prove the toxic self-interest which pervades the higher management structures of Jersey's so-called child "protection" apparatus.

For reasons which are utterly mystifying - the panel simply refuse to even ask for that evidence.

Again - it is simply impossible to imagine the panel getting even close to adequately addressing its terms of reference in the absence of such evidence.

3: Threat of criminal investigation and breach of Article 47 of the States of Jersey Law.

I would have been prepared to run the risk of contributing to further harassments and criminal investigations against myself - and the consequent risk of prosecution - if I thought for one instant that some real benefit would be generated in terms of assisting the island's vulnerable children and making Jersey's public administration face its gross failures.

However - for the reasons described above - and others - I can have zero confidence in the work of the panel.

I cannot, therefore, perceive any benefit in me taking evidence before the panel - or giving personal testimony to it - knowing that I would be running the risk of providing further alleged evidence and grounds for the pursuit of criminal investigations and potential prosecutions against me. I have questioned this matter with the Attorney General, because the relevant laws on testimony and protection of witnesses seemed far from clear.

I quote a part of the Attorney General's answer here:

"But my starting point in relation to prosecution would be the same, namely that anything you say to the Scrutiny Panel would not be used in any criminal proceedings brought against you other than as an inconsistent statement where that was relevant, though it might also be used for the purposes of gaining other evidence; and no criminal prosecution, based on other evidence, would be prevented just because your evidence to the Panel happens to go into that territory." [Emphasis added.]

It can be seen from this answer that I could possibly be running the risk of contributing to the 'gaining of other evidence' against me, and possibly being prosecuted even though the 'work of the panel was going into such territory'.

The territory in question - for clarity - are the alleged breaches of the Data Protection Law, for which I was arrested, detained in locked cells for the best part of 7 hours, and subjected to a "fishing expedition" type search - undertaken without a warrant.

The fact remains - and States members would be well-advised to reflect upon this - that very substantial quantities of the evidence brought to my attention and obtained by me has had to be provided - and obtained - outside of formal procedures.

The reason for this is - I would have thought - extremely obvious. Namely that much of this information and data - evidence of gross failings, malfeasances and even criminal acts by various parts of Jersey's public administration - is the very type of material which has been deliberately concealed from politicians and public over the decades.

Concealed quite deliberately - in order to protect those responsible for the failings, concealments and crimes.

I repeat - I have to ask myself the question - why should I make the sacrifice of being subjected to yet further oppressions by the Law Officers' Department and others, by revealing evidence to the panel - when the work of the panel is - manifestly - useless and absurd?

I must also make the point that the threat of criminal investigations and prosecutions against me - I consider to be an unambiguous breach of Article 47 of the States of Jersey Law.

The surveillance, arrest, detention and searching I have been subject to have all arisen out of my attempts to do my political duty; namely hold the government - the executive - to account by exposing malfeasances and inadequacies in the system. This is entirely legitimate work for a politician - indeed, even a duty. In much the same way as the Conservative MP Damien Green was doing his duty - yet was obstructed and oppressed for doing his job.

The actions of the Attorney General, the Data Protection Commissioner and the States of Jersey Police have all conspired to obstruct and prevent me from doing my political duty. I have been - and remain - under threat of obstruction, compulsion and menace - in direct contravention of Article 47 of the SoJ Law. Such compulsion and menace is influencing me in my ability to give testimony to the panel.

But - given this panel - not that much use would come of it, even if I did give such evidence.

The panel have, incidentally, also refused to call the Attorney General and cross-examine him on these issues. Again - another startling and bizarre reluctance - given the profound and broad implications for the effectiveness of Scrutiny generally.

Conclusion.

I intend - in spite of the panel - to do all I can to contribute to the genuine advancement of the interests of vulnerable children in Jersey, and the necessary addressing of the gross malfeasances of our public administration. I will do this through several different avenues - one of which will be to bring before the assembly for debate a detailed analysis and set of proposals for the genuine and effective protection of the island's vulnerable children.

As far as Senator Breckon and his panel are concerned - as already communicated to him - I would bring a vote of no confidence against him without further prevarication - if I thought the exercise would be a productive use of time. Instead, I shall concentrate on my work with survivors and in the generation of meaningful proposals for improvements in the system.

I will simply confine myself to asking Senator Breckon to resign.

He and his panel are manifestly disinterested, disinclined and simply unable to do the necessary work.

I explain the above, so that members understand fully why I - and a number of other key witnesses - cannot and will not engage with this panel.

Senator Stuart Syvret
States of Jersey

173 comments:

Grim reaper said...

Stuart

Can't say I blame you for your stance. It's incredible to see that only four of you are behind the fight for justice. Keep up the good work and well done Paul Le Claire.

Jill Gracia said...

From tonight's JEP....

A SIGNIFICANT number of complaints in the historical child abuse inquiry were unsuitable for the criminal courts, the Attorney General has said.

Those complaints, which at some stage were said by the police to be more than 100, included those of being made to take cold showers, being clipped around the ear, slapped about the head and flicked with a wet towel.

Commenting in his annual review, William Bailhache – who will be sworn in as the new Deputy Bailiff later this year – has said that those type of complaints were far divorced from the public’s perception of the nature of this inquiry.

Mr Bailhache has also said that some of the disagreements about the inquiry which occurred last year between law officers and Crown lawyers and the senior police officers running the inquiry were probably a result of some of those police officers losing their objectivity and perhaps being unfortunately willing to believe theories not rooted in fact.

He stated that while there had been some complaints of serious offences committed, the historical child abuse investigation had covered an enormous amount of ground and possibly gone wider than first intended....

Says it all really doesn't it, and verifies exactly what you have posted.

It also begs the question as to where are the prosecutions in relation to the 'serious offences' committed, and why the investigation had gone 'wider than first intended'. Surely there should not have, and indeed still be any limit on the timescale of this investigation.

I am sure a lot of the victims will also be thinking along these lines.

This is why......

4th July 2009

PROTEST FOR JUSTICE

PLEASE BE THERE

Anonymous said...

It is not surprising you feel like giving up sometimes Stuart.

I see it is not possible to comment on the AG's statement on the abuse enquiry in tonights RAG.

Wonder why?

The Thinker said...

I once met the Scrutiny panel when they decided to debate health issues with students at Hautlieu school. Of course to me it seems apparent that the chief occupation of these people is to scrutinise.

However, they performed quite aptly like a bunch of clowns. A question would be raised by a student and a member would answer. No one ever offered a differing viewpoint to the one given and every member sat there nodding their heads in corroboration. Seeing as these questions were "off-the-cuff" , I was amazed that everyone agreed to another member's answer.

Even if scrutiny were to debate any issues - every single one of them would probably nod their head to someone's suggestion.There wouldn't be any debate which should be inherent to any "scrutiny panel"

That isn't scrutiny. It is a joke.

I wonder who scrutinises their paychecks?

Ryan M

Anonymous said...

Stuart, I really don’t blame you on this one and I am to say the least a little disappointed in Alan Breckon, I have been following his career for years and I have grown to admire him for standing out from the crowd, like you, he is not afraid to speak his mind and to tell the truth. I would be more than willing to talk to the panel and answer any of their questions if it would help give them a better understanding as to how things really are, but I will not hold my breath. Carrie

Anonymous said...

SURREAL

TonyTheProf said...

See that Op Blast in today's JEP mentions a civil servant threatening the JEP if they exposed his name. Why isn't the UK media interested in the story? Even John Hemmings is quiet.

voiceforchildren said...

Stuart.

Scrutiny is a complete and utter joke.

I have been to several Scrutiny hearings, mainly education. The whole island is aware that a senior Civil Servant at education might be a child abuse suspect and this has never been mentioned at any of the Scrutiny hearings!

Like Carrie I am dissapointed in Senator Breckon, he is one of the very few I hold/held in high regard.

I believe Scrutiny is a job given to, mainly new members, to make them feel important. As a department they are completely inefectual and a total waste of time and money.

voiceforchildren said...

Priceless, absolutely fickin Priceless...........

Top Marks for Jersey Child Care Workers
40 staff from the Health and Social Services Department are attending an award ceremony after achieving a nationally recognized qualification in child care.

Child care workers from Heathfield, Greenfields, La Preference, Brig y Don, Grand Vaux Family centre and La Chasse have all gained a NVQ Health and Social Care – Children and Young People (Level 3). NVQs are work-related and competence-based assessments which reflect the skills and knowledge needed to do a job effectively.

Staff studied for the qualification, which is the equivalent of an A level, in three months. The course was carried out by Universal Learning Streams Jersey Limited, who trained and assessed the students in a number of ways including on-the-job observation.

Children's Executive Co-ordinator, Phil Dennett, said: "I am delighted that a large number of our staff have completed the programme and this will undoubtedly have a positive effect on the delivery of care to young people.

“The Children's Executive is committed to providing the best quality of care to young people in residential and secure care. Part of that commitment relies on the development of staff through comprehensive training programs. We will continue to offer further NVQ training to care staff, alongside continuing professional development for qualified social workers.”

Staff will be presented with their certificates by the Health Minister, Deputy Anne Pryke, during an award ceremony at the Gervais Le Gros Centre on Friday 26 June at 1.30pm. The Assistant Health Minister, Deputy Judy Martin and Deputy Chief Executive of Health, Richard Jouault, will also attend.

Anonymous said...

"fighting the child protection battle as I have during the last two years has been personally exhausting. "

PLEASE look after yourself, Stuart.


Zoompad

Anonymous said...

NVQ - - Well No problem with that qualification.
There has never been any scandal related to that award has there.
Nobody has ever been allowed to leave after falsifying assessments and forging signatures.

Anonymous said...

NVQ - not worth the paper it's written on

Edexcel 2002
Top of The Class
Winner of the Edexcel Achievement in Education Awards The Outstanding Tutor Award
Linda Speed - Jersey Health and Social Services.

What happened !

Anonymous said...

4th July Peoples park noon
We will be there .
People of Jersey you have read the review William Bailhache has signed, this will go down in history
as one of the biggest cover-ups on child abuse to date.

Anonymous said...

So the AG says that a significant number of complaints were unsuitable for the criminal courts? I remember Lenny Harper answering the point about "towel flicking" and cold showers and he said that although there were complaints like that they were not the ones that the investigators were euquiring further into. There were, as I recall, about twenty priority suspects which must mean that there were at least that many victims and probably more. The public know the horrific nature of the complaints from the victims talking about them. Bailhache is trying to create a smokescreen. The problems were not caused by police officers losing their objectivity but by the shoddy service from the lawyers.

Anonymous said...

Those complaints, which at some stage were said by the police to be more than 100, included those of being made to take cold showers, being clipped around the ear, slapped about the head and flicked with a wet towel.

A slap on the head is an assault!
A Flick with a towel is an assault!
Aflick with a wet towel is an assault.

How would you like any of those things to be done to you? You monster!!!

This is the care system we are talking about!! What are you teaching young minds by slapping and whipping them as children???

Im so f***ing angry with this prawn!!! He should be kicked out of power for even thinking that in some way its acceptable to beat children who you are being paid to mentor and nurture in the hope that you produce a caring loving being.

William Bail-hachett you are indeed a sick person...

Anonymous said...

A Slap on the head!!!

I hope your proud of yourself

Bail Hatchett you animal...

Anonymous said...

"See that Op Blast in today's JEP mentions a civil servant threatening the JEP if they exposed his name. Why isn't the UK media interested in the story? Even John Hemmings is quiet."

It could be that some problems you will have to sort out yourselfs?

Anonymous said...

Email to This is Jersey dot com

"Historical abuse claims: ‘Some unsuitable for court’By Diane Simon"

Why can't I coment on this article? What are youtrying to hide? who are youtrying to protect? This is censorship in its worst form. Unacceptable. get it sorted

Dont expect an answer

JRCbean

Anonymous said...

Abusers dont stop they just lie low for a while, I actually think that it will take some horrendous incident to take place before Jersey comes under the spotlight..........they cant keep everything under the carpet forever..........the battle continues.................

Proud Survivor said...

Nobody specified where on the body that wet towel was flicked. A clip round the earhole or a slap round the head is not acceptable in any decent person's thinking. Hard slaps to the head or repeated slaps to the head can cause brain damage in small or susceptible children. What isn't mentioned is the context in which these assaults took place. In a communal bath and shower room probably and in front of other children undoubtedly. The damage to children's self-esteem would be life-long.

However in the context of an island that at that time allowed young boys to be strapped to a stool and be flogged on their bare bottoms or anywhere else when they struggled to break free I suppose it doesn't really count. The victim of birching in Jersey in that excellent documentary said he could take the physical pain but it was the humiliation that hurt most.

The AG should hang his head in shame. Carrie for AG!

L
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Ashburton said...

Matthew 18:5

H.A.
Jerusalem

Anonymous said...

The beatings and public humiliations were going on at Chadswell as well, but they managed to dismiss it as child abuse by saying

1) It was an accepted form of discipline at the time

2) "They were no angels" - meaning us kids who were stuck in their smelly hell hole children's "home" (and some of us had never been in trouble with the police or anything - some of us were child abuse VICTIMS, some of us "no angels")

They ALWAYS try to wriggle out of any blame, using the same tired old excuses.

Zoompad

Dzień dobry said...

On a previous entry "THE ASCENT TO JUSTICE." someone asked "Can someone please confirm that Chris Fairbairn is a direct descendant of William Joyce, as he really does make a very good Lord Haw Haw for the Rag!"

and Stuart replied
"Chris Fairbairn is closely involved with St. Helier Yacht Club.

Nuff said."

Is this the same CF that writes the tediously dull tripe about fictional characters and the Grosnez Green Party that he alone thinks is funny?

Anonymous said...

NVQ = Not Very Qualified

Shamon MF said...

I was disgusted to see the same old rubbish peddled in the rag last night - The Establishment continue their attempts to smear Lenny Harper as usual. Pathetic!

Anonymous said...

No point focusing on mild violence that was seen as acceptable punishment for misdeeds at the time (I was smacked with rulers and gym shoes for various things in my time but I knew I'd done wrong) - there's a world of difference between that and totally unprovoked attacks and abuse.

Jersey Needs Justice said...

I can sort of understand why a case may be dropped if it's one person's word against another (although why can't a jury decide on that?) but why does it not seem to matter if a number of people all make similar allegations against the same bully? Why doesn't it count when it's the word of several people against one?

Anonymous said...

Stand by for government bad news to be "buried" while the MJ story dominates the media!

Anonymous said...

Operation Blast...Who is lying, Power or Walker?
What will the current Chief Minister have to say in defense of Bill Ogley?
Hopefully all will be revealed on Tuesday.

Anonymous said...

Assualts on children by the Brothers at De La Salle (and other teachers) were the norm during my time there through the 70's and 80's.

These assaults were often with weapons ranging from the well known whale-bone and leather strap to board dusters being launched across the room at head height.

No wonder us De La Salle Old Boys turned out so rounded. It was all that swelling you see!

Proud Survivor said...

Anonymous said:

"No point focusing on mild violence that was seen as acceptable punishment for misdeeds at the time (I was smacked with rulers and gym shoes for various things in my time but I knew I'd done wrong) - there's a world of difference between that and totally unprovoked attacks and abuse."

How the heck do you classify "mild violence"? Have you ever seen the head of a child who has been repeatedly hit around the head by objects like a stick. A lot of boys at HDLG had crew-cuts and you could see them then. A lot of these kids were there because of violent treatment at home so they brought outward visible and inward invisible scars with them when they were brought in. How could more of the same be anything but harmful?

Anonymous said...

"Matthew 18:5

H.A.
Jerusalem"

What a nonsensical Bible quotation to post. You just donm't get it, do you?

You're assuming that the Church cares about child abuse.

Well here is the news - the Church doesn't give a monkeys about child abuse. The Church does not give two hoots about child abuse.

It hurts me to say that, because I am a Christian, as well as being an abuse survivor, but it's true.

I'm ashamed of the Church, really ashamed.

I feel ashamed to call myself a Christian, because of how little the Church cares about child abuse. I've been ripped apart by other abuse survivors because of my religion, and I can understand why, when you look at the Church.

The Bible has been used all to often as a weapon, to crush and oppress people, to keep people down. It's offensive to me to see it used in that way.

This is a far better quote, much more appropriate:

Matthew 18 v 6

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

What I don't understand uis how on the one hand this horrible humiliating bare bottom flogging with straps and all sorts abuse is dismissed so easily, yet on the other hand babies are being taken away from distraught first time mothers in maternity hospital delivery wards, using police enforcement - yes, this IS happening, even in Gordon Brown's own constituency hospital in Fife, last year - on the unfounded suspicion that child abuse might at some time in the future be committed by a mother who is deemed by Social Services too stupid to care for her own child (MSBP).

How can both these approaches to child protection be constitent with each other? It makes no sense at all - it is complete nonsense!

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

On Wednesday evening, I e-mailed the following letter to the Editor of the JEP which to date has still not been published. Not wanting to waste what I believe is a fair letter, I thought I would share it with you guys instead. Carrie

ps I have been chosen at random to complete the Jersey Annual Social Survey 2009, now this should be fun!!!


LETTER TO THE EDITOR OF THE JERSEY EVENING POST

I am writing to you concerning the notice placed in the JEP on Tuesday 23rd June 2009 under the obituary column announcing the death of Alan Maguire. The notice stated that the former children and staff of Blanche Pierre family group home had steadfastly supported Alan and Jane through very difficult times which, quite frankly I am absolutely appalled that you allowed to be published as it is abundantly clear from the contents of the text that this notice was written with sheer malice. To set the record straight, none of the abuse survivors have EVER supported the Maguire’s and in fact they have indefatigably fought over several years, fighting against the odds to seek justice for the horrendous abuse that they suffered at the hands of these people and only to be let down very badly by Jersey’s judicial system. With regards to the staff of Blanche Pierre, except for those very few staff who thought corporal punishment was acceptable or perhaps were not aware that the abuse was taking place, these very same staff members were and are still prepared to stand up in Court to testify against the Maguire’s as having witnessed the systematic abuse inflicted to these victims as vulnerable children.

You appear to have shown very little compassion towards the child abuse victims throughout the entire historical child abuse investigation, in fact I would go as far as to say that by the lack of information you have placed into the public domain, you have managed to discredit the integrity of the abuse victims by not publishing ALL of the true facts that have been presented to you, indeed in some instances handed to you on a plate! Allowing this notice to be published has caused yet further emotional damage to the abuse victims of these vile people and by doing so, you have shown that you have no scruples what-so-ever, are you really that insensitive?

I implore you to do the decent thing and allow the abuse victims some form of redress over this outrageous situation and allow my letter to be published in full.

Thank you

Carrie

Address withheld
24 June 2009

Anonymous said...

"Stand by for government bad news to be "buried" while the MJ story dominates the media!"

I notice Gordon (Bandwagon) Brown has already sent his condolances - no mention of any condolances to any of us lot though.

Still, at least he acknowledged the book I sent him, "The Gulag of the Family Court".

Zoompad

Web Guru said...

Blast file exposed blackmail threat

Anonymous said...

Zoompad "Right Again."

The church cares about the church and nothing else.

the only thing the CHURCH cares about as far as children are concerned is how much it will cost them when the 100's of 1000's of adults start to fight back.

Zoompad don't be ashamed to be a christian... God is within you not without.

Men are men and as such behave as men.

God is great however seemingly remiss at times.

Judge not last ye be judged yourself....

Go Zoompad

Web Guru said...

Source

Zoompad said...

WARNING TO OTHER ABUSE SURVIVORS

I want to warn other abuse survivors to be very very very careful about some of the child abuse survivor sites on the internet.

I belonged to one for three years, until I realised that they were not only taking money from the Warwickshire Freemasons, (it is in their records) but also that the judge in my secret family court case had been unbeknown to me snooping on me via that website, whilst the court case was ongoing.

The moderators of the site were well aware of my circumstances and they allowed me to be put into a compomising position - I am not the kind of person to jump to rash conclusions, but it seems impossible to me that they did not do this deliberatly.

I then found out that they were using some very strange mind control tactics that had been developed by the CIA. Because of my crushed state at the time, I didn't realise that the things that they were doing to the survivors on the site were sinister. I did notice that there was a lot of bullying on the site, and none of the moderators were stopping the bullying.

I would like to name the website, but I won't on Stuarts blog, but anyone concerned can see the details on my own blog.

I am telling you this so that other abuse survivors can be kept safe. It seems incredible that a site set up for helping child abuse survivors could be used to spy on and persecute survivors, sadly, that is what that particular site is doing.

David said...

".... so inept as to be laughable in a tragic kind of way."

Somehow that evokes the words of Lord Byron:

'If I laugh at any mortal thing,
Tis that I may not weep.'

Adrian said...

At least CTV are willing to mention Ogleys name.

CTV

Anonymous said...

By "mild violence" I meant short sharp shock smacks that were considered proportionate by the standards of the day - of the sort where no lasting damage was done and not long afterwards nothing much was hurt apart from pride.

I'm not trying to defend anything more than that, I thought that much was obvious especially as I was saying not to confuse such punishments with anything worse.

Best regards

Anonymous said...

Voilence breeds violence!!! End of!!!

A little bit of pain is pain...
who can say what effects that little bit of pain could have to the mind of a child when words would do a better job....

Anonymous said...

"By "mild violence" I meant short sharp shock smacks that were considered proportionate by the standards of the day - of the sort where no lasting damage was done and not long afterwards nothing much was hurt apart from pride."

You mean the kind of mild parental punishment that good loving parents are being labelled "Child Abuser" for?

I think most folk instinctivly know the difference between abuse and mild chastisment.

Zoompad (it keeps logging me out)

Anonymous said...

Some teachers at De La Salle strapped us on the ends of our fingers or the wrists. Because it hurts more than on the palm. That said being strapped was better than the geography teacher who used to walk behind us and slap us on the back of the head.This teacher used to be a doorman at Skyline disco at the weekends.

Anonymous said...

Decent journalism

Jill Gracia said...

All I can say is a HUGE 'Well Done' to both Carrie for her very honest letter (it is not in tonight), to the JEP, which by the standards of all that is fair they should certainly print (but I won't hold my breath) and also to Trevor Pitman for the question he is going to ask in the States on Tuesday.

Good on you both!

Proud Survivor said...

I do know what you mean anonymous. There is a world of difference between a quick smack on the leg when a child runs into the road and the kind of abuse many of my friends suffered in HDLG and other care homes.

We must not forget that child abuse is defined in 4 categories. We talk a lot about sexual abuse and physical abuse. I was in care because of the other two - neglect and emotional abuse. Children and teenagers in HDLG were well-fed and reasonably clothed and not neglected when I was there but there was definitely emotional abuse along with the other 2 categories.

And I want to add my congratulations Carrie for your fabulous letter. Obviously of too high a literary standard for the JEP!

Anonymous said...

Who knows what the lost in space alien, current Chief Minister, Le Sueur will say to defend Ogley, in The States, on Tuesday. Could be embarrassing?! (Look forward to it).

Anonymous said...

Thanks to Zoompod for her singular act of Christian charity.

I posted the quotation from Matthew in all good faith.

But it would appear that I should have turned to Matthew 5:39 instead.

Or perhaps the old French proverb "You don't catch flies with vinegar" should apply.

The cause of abused children needs all the support it can get, Zoompod. Your response does not engender that.

H.A.
Jerusalem

Anonymous said...

Whos Lying, Power or Walker, find out on Tuesday. (We hope).

Anonymous said...

Le Marquand will be, hopefully showing his true colours on Tuesday.

Anonymous said...

De La Salle was a brutal regime when the brothers were there.
The CM is a Governor now

Anonymous said...

The RAG printed a letter the other night regarding the sentencing of Michael Aubin, and the fact that he was a victim, and also asking why his abuser could eitherr not be brought to trial or named (if deceased).

Despite all the other letters that have appeared in the RAG being able to be accessed and commented on on-line, this one does not appear at all.

What is it with this paper that they also want to keep any matters or comments on the child abuse cases as far from the public domain as is possible. It is time they gave some answers to these questions.

Anonymous said...

Will Ogley take the bullet for Big Frank and if so... who will protect Pollard??

Anonymous said...

"He and his panel are manifestly disinterested,"

Oh Stuart, if only that were true! I think you mean uninterested. Finding any disinterested politicians in Jersey would be a minor miracle. Look it up.

Anonymous said...

According to Wikipedia the CM was a teacher at De La Salle College.

Anonymous said...

"Finding any disinterested politicians in Jersey would be a minor miracle. Look it up."

Stuart, I did look up disinterested (your description of Alan Breckon and his panel)in the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary. Presumably you meant something along the lines of "not having the feelings or mind engaged", rather than "free from selfish motive or interest". In the dictionary the comment is made that your use of the word "will incur the disapproval of some who may not fully apprecaite the history of this word or the subtleties of its present use." Spot on! Keep up the good words.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

As a word-nerd - though afflicted by a States of Jersey "education" - all corrections of grammar gratefully received.

Thanks

Stuart

Anonymous said...

"Thanks to Zoompod for her singular act of Christian charity.

I posted the quotation from Matthew in all good faith.

But it would appear that I should have turned to Matthew 5:39 instead.

Or perhaps the old French proverb "You don't catch flies with vinegar" should apply."

Yes well that is a far better Bible quotation. I WILL turn another cheek to abusers, but it won't be one of these on my face!

"The cause of abused children needs all the support it can get, Zoompod. Your response does not engender that.

H.A.
Jerusalem"

Yes, well, seeing that I am one of the Pindown abuse survivors I think I'll treat that remark with the indifference and contempt that it deserves!

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

Stuart, I am not a religious person, I find it totally and utterly absurd that some people find it necessary to "score points" relating to their personal translations of quotes from the bible.

I feel the argument and constant references relating to this undermines the seriousness of abused people. It matters not one jot whether a person is religious or not, lets face it some of the most sordid kiddie fiddlers are the so called men and women of the church.

Perhaps it would be better if these quotes from the scriptures were kept to themselves. I would imagine it is very difficult for many victims of abuse find it of any comfort.

This is about Justice not religion.

Anonymous said...

"This is about Justice not religion."

Here Here!!! Well said..

Bricks and blocks of sandstone don't abuse children the men and women who use the church as a sanctuary for thier own evils do.

On with the true topic please we are not here for argument but for justice and a sharing of information.

Anonymous said...

Oh dear it appears to me reading the Attorney General’s comments in the JEP as though he is trying to find excuses as to why NOT to bring prosecutions against these despicable child abusers instead of allowing these cases to go though the Courts and allowing the jury decide! I have to say there is a case that seems to be playing on his mind from last year as despite said case being closed, he keeps stating time and time again that the problems that arose with that particular case may have been down to a misunderstanding between the legal advisers and the police! Oh well, that’s ok then, we will all just move on!!

Now, moving on, according to the JEP the AG states that some of the victims complained that they had been clipped around the ear or slapped about the head which if I am reading correctly; the AG felt these complaints were unsuitable for the criminal courts?

Ok, I have a scenario for your readers Stuart, let’s say for instance that if an abuser is capable of clipping a child around the ear than that same person is also capable of slapping the child around the head? So, for arguments sake, let’s lump both of these together as being inflicted by a fictitious abuser onto a fictitious young, scared and venerable child. Ok, we now have one child being clipped around the ear and slapped around the head, but one has to ask the question, how often did this happen, once, once a week, once a month, once a year or, let’s say for arguments sake that this occurred regularly over a period of ten years, nice rounded figure. Right, we have now established over how long these “clips and slaps” were inflicted to this child but nowhere does it state what was used to “clip and slap” this child, most probably the hand, this is the most common weapon for an abuser, no need to look for it, just raise your arm and hey presto there’s your weapon! But hang on a minute, apart from the hand they could have also used other items to inflict these punishments, something like for instance let’s say for arguments sake a broom handle, or perhaps a hairbrush, or maybe even a cricket bat! Sorry, I might be getting carried away here, but I have decided to go with all of the above just to keep an image of this young, defenseless, venerable child in your mind. We have now established the period of time these “clips and slaps” were inflicted and moreover the weapons used, but we now need to move forward to the damage that might have been caused to this child by all those “clips and slaps”. Short term damage, hot painful ears, perhaps ringing in the ears that will ease after an hour or two, maybe a headache that will go away after a lie down or perhaps after a couple of pain killers, fear of this happening again soon disappearing after regrouping with the other children playing in the garden.

Due to problems posting this comment on your site Stuart to be continued....

Anonymous said...

Continued...

Yup, all wrapped up, no real long term damage done here so why pursue this through the courts and waist everyone’s time and money? But then again, let’s look at the possible long term damage that could have been caused by these “clips and slaps”. This same child is now suffering from constant ear ache and headaches maybe resulting in having to receive medical treatment. This child now lives in fear not knowing when the next blows are going to strike and is now developing psychological problems; the only safe place for this child is to hide under the bed covers. As the child is growing up into an adult, they could develop a fear of anyone touching their head; they could withdraw into their own little world trusting nobody, not willing to make friends for fear of being hurt. The ear could have been damaged from all those blows resulting in near constant pain and maybe permanently discharging ears. Let’s go further, the damage to the ear could have been that severe that it could have resulted in years of medical treatment, perhaps even resulting in several operations over several years to try and repair the ear! Let’s give this an absolute worse case scenario and take this one stage further (I am getting carried away here) the contents of that ear now is completely dead and as a last resort a metal thread could be drilled into the scull at the side of the head so that a metal box can be screwed into the scull just so the now adult can hear what the person next to them is saying!

Sorry, I seem to have got somewhat carried away with this, after all none of this is likely to have ever happened, after all it was only a clip around the ear and a slap about the head!

Carrie

ps see you all next Saturday at Peoples Park 12 noon

Anonymous said...

Lets try not to be distracted by debating the merits of "a quick clip around the ear" or towel flicking. As it does take the focus off the fact that much more serious crimes have been reported concerning the Jersey childrens service.
So maybe the AG can tell us how many charges of rape and sexual abuse have been made by survivors?
Then maybe he can tell us why they have not been prosecuted yet?
Then when that's finally been dealt with by a court we can discuss towel flicking again.

Anonymous said...

Well Iv'e been through Social Worker's Handbook and I'm beggered if I can find where its says your aloud to smack children's ears, hit them about the head or flick them around the body (Presumably while they showered,)

Anonymous said...

"Lets try not to be distracted by debating the merits of "a quick clip around the ear" or towel flicking. As it does take the focus off the fact that much more serious crimes have been reported concerning the Jersey childrens service.
So maybe the AG can tell us how many charges of rape and sexual abuse have been made by survivors?
Then maybe he can tell us why they have not been prosecuted yet?
Then when that's finally been dealt with by a court we can discuss towel flicking again."

Ouch!! Read my post again, then google search "bionic ear". Ok lets add to the list of abuse to that child, how about rape, how about sexual abuse, I could go on, but in the iterest of Justice I think I have said enough already.

Carrie

Anonymous said...

Jersey Needs Justice said...

"I can sort of understand why a case may be dropped if it's one person's word against another (although why can't a jury decide on that?) but why does it not seem to matter if a number of people all make similar allegations against the same bully? Why doesn't it count when it's the word of several people against one?"

A valid question.

The answer is simple and rather frustrating I think.

It all hinges on the amount of damage that any suspect person would do to the states of Jersey by "spilling his guts" in a court case.

Think about Micheal Aubin-he was abused whilst in care at HDLG and became an abuser himself.Recently given 2 years inside.His abuser remains unknown to the general public,and unpunished!.

Now consider Danny Wherry-hes a former police officer who went on to work at HDLG-and abuse children there- before moving to the states childrens services.He enjoys golf in his spare time and has been arrested on 3 occasions on suspicion of child abuse.

Thank God the Attorney General is using his superior intellect and unique insight into the criminal mind to save us the time and expense of fruitless trials by jury!.

Anonymous said...

Well said Carrie, you must be an inspiration to those luabuse survivors in Jersey. I do not agree that the only abuse worth addressing is that of sexual abuse, contrary to the AG's take on the subject physical and mental abuse is also a crime against Children, in the same way as domestic violence in front of children is also mentally disturbing for those who witness such abuse. Abuse is abuse, we could indeed spend hours discussing which is the worst, however it all falls into the same category.

Carrie, I really feel at some stage in your life when time and Justice permits you really must get yourself onto some "good" concelling courses you have unique qualitites of understanding and grasping situations. I really feel that Jersey needs more than anything understanding people like yourself, Stuart and a couple of others a networking system to help children who wish to disclose abuse, be it sexual, domestic, mental or physical in a confidential caring situation thus making sure that children will be listened to and believed instead of the sham that is going on at present.

Anonymous said...

The other 49 are in denial

Anonymous said...

"The other 49 are in denial"

Maybe some are scared of reprecussions?

Anonymous said...

BAKER TILLY

Anonymous said...

Scrutiny

Anonymous said...

I hope Lenny counters the insulting and unprofessional ballache accusations that he lost objectivity.

Anonymous said...

Hiya Stuart
Whats happening with Graham Power?Things have gone quiet-is there any chance of him being reinstated to his former position?.

Any word from Lenny Harper about this round of smear,denial and excuses from the Ballache brothers?.

Anonymous said...

Stuart,

In The Health Ministers comments to your P.76/2009, she says that the Consultant Anaisthetist who cared for Mrs Rourke in the final hours of her life wasnot the same C.A. appointed as the internal case manager. Will you be disputing this, or is she correct in saying this?

Anonymous said...

I voted for Alan Brecon because I thought he would be want to help make things more transparent but it appears he is like all the rest. No integrity and because of that no vote for him next time my household of 6 voted for him on my advice. That is 6 votes lost and that can make a difference.,

Anonymous said...

I thought that there was an email that you previously posted showing that the anesthatist and the initial case manager were in fact the same person. was that not the email with the kissy kissy from the personnel person.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Yes - there is so much inaccuracy, sophistry and straightforward lying from H & SS that they're in even bigger trouble than they were before.

Well - would be in bigger trouble - if we possessed a faintly competent legislature.

Sadly though, this being the States of Jersey we're dealing with - I suspect that causing the death of a person, trying to cover-up your culpability for that fact - and then repeatedly lying about it all - will prove to be the customary perfectly acceptable behaviour as far as most States members are concerned.

Oh well - we can but try.

Stuart

Red Rover said...

Hello Stuart

I understand that private prosecutions are not allowed in Jersey. Do you know if this is Human Rights compliant? Be strong and keep up the good work.

Grim reaper said...

If the sojp and ag will not prosecute abusers the victims could make a civil claim for damages through the royal court. It may be hard for the victims but at least the truth would come out about the abuse and suffering.

Anonymous said...

As we know lots of states members read this site,as it's effectively the main outlet for opposing the establishment views. So would any of them like to post a response here explaining why they have not joined the calls for an open and impartial investigation into the multiple allegations of child abuses that have been reported by so many different people.

Even if you think that every charge is a fantasy and no such crimes could have been committed please just say it openly.

This are probably the most serious charges that have ever been made against the Jersey government and it's employees.

Surely that must worry more than four politicians in the house.

Or maybe you really are all corrupt and/or incompetent.

(Sorry but it's what everybody else is saying)

Anonymous said...

If I may briefly change the subject of this thread for a minute I would like to ask, will the States be postponing their drive to raise the islands population as we seem to be losing a large amount of jobs at the moment?

The point in encouraging immigration was to bring in more skilled workers to increase the labour pool for the finance industry.
But now that people are losing their jobs in this sector surely we should not lessen their chances of re-employment by bringing in outside workers.
"Think local" should apply to the job market too!

Anonymous said...

Re: A clip/slap around the head

My brother died in the early
1960's due to a brain tumor aged 13! The medical thinking at the time was that he had at some stage in his early life, suffered regular blows to his head. Although, there are other reasons why tumors develop too.

Anyhow, we attended a primary school in the East of the Island where, one or two male teachers, regularly slapped children about the head and face. Not to mention the use of ruler's accross the knuckles and finger tips!

Over the years I have often wondered if these assaults by employees of the SToJ were the cause of my brother's death!

Web Guru said...

Operation blast mystery to unfold

Anonymous said...

If our States members do thier job properly this week, we should see Ogley and Pollard immediately suspended, and Power and Day reinstated without further delay.

Anonymous said...

Stuart

Do you have any idea why the name "Operation Blast" was chosen? It must allude to something importnt and explosive.

Elle

Anonymous said...

I was brought up to know that if I did wrong I would get a clip around the ear or a smacked bottom. Sexual abuse asside it taught me right from wrong. So sorry if i hurt some peoples feelings but in todays society when it is agains human rights laws to smack r clip your child is it no wonder why the children today are running riot.

You need to put all things in perspective I believe, and frankly a cip around the ear is but a simple stop to a child becomming more unrunly.

That is not abuse it is correctional punishment. No wonder why kids go around beating the crap out of foreign students when they know they will get away with it.

I am sorry to be blunt but people need to differentiate between abuse and a good ticking off. And if you want to continue on the never tick them off crusade then just what exactly do you want our society to become.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

I'm sorry to have to be so blunt - but those comments in support of a "clip around the ear" are as misguided as they are ignorant.

If the best response we as a society - and parents - can come up with in response to childrens' behavioural issues is violence - then God help us.

Quite aside from the obvious ethical issues - there is the plain fact that violence against children simply doesn't work.

Does it not occur to people that actually sitting down with your children - and having conversations with them - might be far more effective in producing well-adjusted human beings - rather than flogging their bare buttocks in traditional British middle class fashion - or punching them in the head, because they need some social interaction - just when you're sitting down to watch Eastenders with a ry and dry or pint of Steller?

Violence begets violence - maltreatment begets maltreatment - dysfunction begets dysfunction.

Those children who "run riot" - and inflict violence upon others - are almost certainly simply exhibiting the 'learned behaviour' - as shown to them by "adults".

Sadly, Anglo-Saxon society simply doesn't like children.

We cannot then complain of all the dysfunction that causes.

As you sow - so you shall reap.

Stuart

MARIO DONELLY said...

There is a good chance ALAN MAGUIRE started off with a little slap to his victims legs.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

McGuire starting off with a slap to his victims' legs?

Absolutely - that's just how these things always begin.

It was much the same with Nazism - step by step - as people gradually progressed down that path toward insane savagery - those first and slight steps would have seemed innocuous.

Remember - Jeffrey Dahmer began his obsession with mass-murdering violence by torturing small animals.

Stuart

Proud Survivor said...

Anonymous said:

"I am sorry to be blunt but people need to differentiate between abuse and a good ticking off."

I understand a "good ticking off" to be included in what Stuart was writing about - sitting down with my children and grandchildren and explaining to them that they have done wrong and why it is wrong. It might involve punishments such as witholding of treats. outings, television etc.

It would never involve a slap or clip to the head or ear because that is physical abuse.

The poster who tragically lost her brother will never know if it was this sort of punishment that contributed to his cancer. Other contributers to this blog know only too well what these punishments can lead to. A clip round the ear can make your ears ring and land you on the floor. If you move you head you can get a black eye or a fat lip and so it goes on.

If we give our children the message that it is alright to hit people in any way they will see no harm in hitting their partners or their own children in turn.

Anonymous said...

I have three beautiful son's who are all grown men. Brought up in the nner city on a concil estate they are all responsible working men now and have never put a foot wrong. we have never clipped them around the ear or anything else as talking to them works and its the lack of ability in smoe parents who get frustrated and lash out that is the problem Not the children.

They are blank pieces of paper until the adult world writes on them...

Anonymous said...

Has the troll's site gone?

Anonymous said...

Stuart

I saw this posting from you on VFJ

can you tell us what happened as a result of your meeting with the other states members and the investigators into Mrs Rourke's death?

"VfJ

Last week, States members were subjected to a "presentation" from the firm of spin-doctors employed by H & SS in order to pretend to investigate a tragic, avoidable death of a patient.

Having been subjected to this kind of manipulation for nearly 20 years - I took the precaution of videoing the entire thing with my mobile.

A fascinating exercise, out of which two effects arise.

Firstly, knowing they were being filmed drew a range of more frank and honest answers than we might otherwise have received.

I know this - because the company's people said several things that disastrously contradicted some of the cobblers we've been told by the politicians during this episode.

Secondly, no matter how carefully and honestly one takes notes at these kind of presentations - when the debate comes around, and you quote what was said - the oligarchy politicians always stand up and say "No! That wasn't said; you're misrepresenting them."

Well - thanks to the wonders of video-capable mobile phones - they won't be able to do that this time around."

Jill Gracia said...

I am quite astounded that abuse survivors have not been invited to speak to Scrutiny. Surely they are the very people whose input would be most valuable and honest.

Five and a half years Jerry Dorey chaired a Scrutiny panel on the Alcohol and Drugs situation in the Island and the services that were being provided, or otherwise. He actually invited people from the general public who thought they may have something to offer to be able to speak if they wanted, and several of us took the opportunity.

It was interesting in the report that followed that great note had been taken of what was said, and subsequently acted upon.

Not only that, but it was quite a cathartic experience to be able to unload or thoughts and feelings on what we knew was wrong with the system at that time, but had been helpless to do anything about.

Surely but surely, a survivor's evidence is essential otherwise what on earth is the point? The most important people involved are NOT being involved.

On a different matter I noticed that 2 weeks after Alan Maguire's death the RAG managed to spare about 5 column inches somewhere in the middle pages to write a little piece. Michael Jackson's death made headline news and was afforded 4 pages of coverage!! Obviously Michael Jackson was a far more important feature in the media than a man who together with his wife had abused children and scarred them for life in this very Island.

SHAME ON YOU RAG!

May be you would care to interview some of the survivors to guauge their emotions and put that in the public domain when you hopefully cover the....

PROTEST FOR JUSTICE - 4th JULY 2009

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

What happened at the presentation?

Largely nothing.

Yes - there are a few genuinely independently-minded members of the States who asked some searching questions.

I expect the rest were there merely to pick up a few plausible excuses for failing to support an independent inquiry when we debate the matter.

I stand to be surprised - actually, no, probably not - but we will only really know what arose from the presentation at the end of the debate this week.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

So Breckon is part of the culture of concealment aswell! Who else is on this panel? De Sousa, Southern Pitman. All part of the conspiracy? You're losing it mate.

Anonymous said...

"we have never clipped them around the ear or anything else as talking to them works and its the lack of ability in smoe parents who get frustrated and lash out that is the problem Not the children."

Oh good for you
You were lucky
We can't all be blessed with super-parent super powers can we?

I don't believe all kids are a blank sheet anyway
they're all very different no matter how well theyre raised they all have difference personalities
You had placid easy going kids by the sound of it.

Either that or the parents you look down your nose at are victims of their own upbringing and not really to blame for lack of parenting skills
you can't have it both ways

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Alan Breckon - in the palm of the union - many of the members are in posts they are wholy unqualified for - hence the reluctance to look too closely at social services failiures.

Ditto Trevor Pitman.

Ditto Geoff Southern + former teacher.

Roy Le Herissier - former lecturer - and close personal friend of several of the disastrously culpable civil servants.

Those are the four members of the relevant sub-panel.

And let's face it - it would be very difficult to produce any other rational explanation for such amazing failiure on their part.

Stuart.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Children are indeed individual human beings, with diffrent temperaments.

But we can be sure of this - using violence against children is as unacceptable - and as every bit a mark of failiure - as would be assualting adult people around us.

People beat-up children because they can - because children are small, powerless - and of little consequence to adult society.

If you don't believe that - just try beating an adult work coleague about the head with your fist - or flogging their buttocks with a cane until they bleed - then see just how "acceptable" such behaviour would be.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

"Either that or the parents you look down your nose"

The bravery of comments at a distance.

Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is, in these days when we are all spied on by the state all the time "If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear", why are we kept in the dark about so many things that we have a right to know about?

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say as parents and grandparents we are "sugar coated" because we did not subject our children or our grandchildren to "grevious bodily harm" or assault. I would consider we are "normal" we believe children should be seen and heard and given the precious gift of time, not physical or mental abuse.

My husband spent his childhood being physically and mentally abused by his mother, he like Stuart had a dreadful childhood, today he is the kindest most gentle man going, he was very lucky he had the ability to realise that the beatings and mental abuse he was subjected to was not "normal" and he always vowed no child of his would be the subjected to the misery and hell he suffered.

Like Stuart he has spent his life working and helping abused children.

Anonymous said...

"My husband spent his childhood being physically and mentally abused by his mother, he like Stuart had a dreadful childhood, today he is the kindest most gentle man going, he was very lucky he had the ability to realise that the beatings and mental abuse he was subjected to was not "normal" and he always vowed no child of his would be the subjected to the misery and hell he suffered.

Like Stuart he has spent his life working and helping abused children."

The cycle of abuse has been broken!

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

"I want to warn other abuse survivors to be very very very careful about some of the child abuse survivor sites on the internet.

I belonged to one for three years, until I realised that they were not only taking money from the Warwickshire Freemasons, (it is in their records)."

This is an example of how the Freemasons raise money for charities and support social justice.

Thanks to Zoompad for pointing this out.

Anonymous said...

"De La Salle was a brutal regime when the brothers were there"

It wasn't just the Brothers who dished out the beatings though. Some of the other teachers were equally or more vicious than the Brothers.

Some were still working there last time I checked.

Anonymous said...

Zoompad said: why are we kept in the dark about so many things that we have a right to know about.
Should have said: why WERE we kept in the dark, because Citizen Media is starting to, and will change all that.

Proud Survivor said...

Anonymous said:

"You had placid easy going kids by the sound of it."

Maybe placid easy-going parents produce placid easy-going kids? I doubt it very much. Thank God that no matter what your own upbringing you can chose to "break the mould" and try and be a good loving parent. I had three children and none of them were placid or easy-going. I had to bring them up on my own for most of the time and I am proud that they have grown into strong loving adults who have far better parenting skills than I had.

Apart my time in HDLG as a teenager,I grew up in a series of institutions including a French convent where the nuns beat us for the smallest thing. I have spent my life working with young people as a youth worker and a therapist and I have always vowed not to make the same mistakes that were made with me.

Anonymous said...

I wasn't condoning "beating up children", just small remedial smacks when required. No need to exaggerate! And yes, if an adult work coleague was behaving absolutely outrageously well beyond the limits of acceptable then a smack would be well in order there too. Depends upon the situation!

Watch a few more nature programmes to see that this is a violent world whether you like it or not and aspiring to some Ghandi-like level of non violence may be a laudable ideal in a perfect world but it isn't perfect and never will be.

Anonymous said...

"Zoompad said: why are we kept in the dark about so many things that we have a right to know about.
Should have said: why WERE we kept in the dark, because Citizen Media is starting to, and will change all that."

No, it's still "ARE".

We are STILL being lied to and misled about so many things.

I've had someone have a go at me on this very forum, quoting Bible passages to me, for the purpose, I understand, of exhorting me into forgiving the people of the club who abused and re-abused me.

The thing is, so far no-one has actually made any attempt to put right the great wrongs which were committed against me, blighting most of my life. Worse than that,no-one has even apologised. Even worse than that, all the agencies involved, plus others who were not initially involved, have ganged up on me and put their heads together to persecute me! I can PROVE all this - I have the paper trail left behind - there is always a paper trail. I can prove malicious vindictive persecution.

It isn't just me who has been treated like this. Thank heavens for me that it isn't just me - that is selfish of me to say that, because it isn't nice to rejoice that other people have suffered this type of abuse and re-abuse, but if I were the only one I could easily be dismissed as a paranoid nutjob and be carted off to the nearest loony bin. But it's a bit difficult to do that to someone who has the paper trail (many times copied and discreetly distributed widely, in case of "accidents", you understand - I have got worldly wise!) when other people have also done likewise!

We are STILL being lied to and treated as if we are idiots! The culture of concealment is still refusing to die, in this year of 2009. It WILL give up the ghost eventually, and true democracy will come of age - I am certain that it will - but it has not done so yet, not by a long chalk.

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Anonymous said...

PJ offline?! Maybe someone hacked it at last, it was practically begging for it, being wide open to a number of hacker "exploits" !

Anonymous said...

De La Salle
Firstly, I am fully aware that the college has changed radically in recent times and for the better. The following relates to the 1970’s

A boys first day at a new school, frightening and full of unknowns. My personal recollection of this event at De La Salle was being hit hard across the face by a Brother for running down the hill after school and then being hit again by another Brother for not wearing the school cap. Said cap having been knocked off by
the previous event. This was the start of things to come. At that time the school ran on fear of punishment. I personally was sent to a senior teacher’s office and hit over the hand with a leather strap, often up to six times in one session. Unfortunately, this happened to me on numerous occasions.

The crime committed?, often merely talking in class! This punishment often caused bruising and I saw many reduced to tears. Considering the Brothers were “men of god” I still find that hard to equate with the behaviour of many.
I say many as there were a few who I would consider compassionate.

One incident sticks in my mind like it was yesterday. At the age of eleven when I was not a competent swimmer, a traffic cone with an attached plastic hoop was put in the deep end of their swimming pool.
Every boy had to swim through this hoop. I protested and was told to “stop being a baby” and pushed in. There I remained until I did it. How I managed, after many tries, to achieve the task I do not know.
To this day I blame this incident as a major contributory to my problem with claustrophobia.

Given the time that has passed, it is surprising how much I can remember.
Being dragged by my hair along a corridor, having chalk dusters aimed at my head, my knuckles bleeding after being hit with a ruler and a hot drink deliberately
knocked from my hand, simply because the break had just ended.

There were more, but this gives a good example.

P.E. day was always interesting. We all had to run on the pavements to the playing field, take part in the sport and run back. (No coach in those days!)
On the way back many actually hitched lifts off strangers The teacher would not be aware as he was always at the front showing how fast he was.

Many of the Brother’s were referred to as “Jeffs” a popular slang of the day for gays. Whist I never saw it personally, there were ‘stories’ about a few of them.

How you were treated appeared to based on a number of things.. Certainly who your parents were or how much money they donated was a major factor.

Anonymous said...

Putting two and two together.... The minutes of Power's meeting, which Ogley destroyed, were very much to do with Ogley's involvement, in "Operation Blast".

Anonymous said...

My child was hit with a slipper for running on the road whilst at De La Salle, that said he looks back fondly on his days there and still has friends from back then, I agree re the attention given was based on who your parents were and what they could fleece you for, Convent FCJ was exactly the same, farmers daughters were la creme de la creme......always in group one irrespective of merit....it also extended to the catholic church ......so much so, it has taken me years to be able to enter a church - I learnt at a very early age the true meanng of hypocrite! That has stood me well!

Anonymous said...

Ian Le Marquand had better be prepared for tomorrows question time and I hope that he remains true to his moral compass and will not be cajoled into protecting former ministers and current civil servants - I am hoping that he really is a good guy but when you start messing with the local mafia they can be very persuasive..............he has a sharp brain tho and I am counting on him to be true to himself............

Linda Corby said...

Hi Stuart

I understand exactly how you feel.

To be honest with you I feel the same way.

This island's government in general couldn't give a s**t about young people being abused or otherwise.

I just did a very personal article on part of the way our income support system works, if you can call it that. You are penalized for having any children here unless you are wealthy.

As I say in the article Quote: Jersey Channel Islands is Anti Children, Anti the disabled, Anti Pensioners and generally Anti the poor, it would appear that the system of income support in Jersey Channel Islands is all for the disintegration of family units. End quote:

You can read the full article here, and yes please do you and everyone else leave your comments on it. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1891376/jersey_channel_islands_the_scrooge.html?cat=9

Anyone who isn't wealthy is being abused in one way or another on this Godforsaken rock, and even more so if they stand up for what is right.

Yet still I will fight on for those who have been abuse in any way I can. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong, end of.

Anonymous said...

Leave it out,Stu, trevor pitman is one of you lefty rabble rousers out to stick it to "the establishment" every chance he gets.

Anonymous said...

Stuart,

It looks as though they are desperate to stop your Committee of Inquiry proposal.

What do you make of P76/2009 COM(2)?

Anonymous said...

This is a long shot, I know, but are there any alumni of the Norwood (Jewish) Orphanage on this site?

Anonymous said...

I think we are demanding too much from Senator Syvret.

Brave and fearless as he is, he is only human.

Let us learn to fight our own battle and not to be so dependent on him.

Calamity Jane said...

Cowboys

Anonymous said...

previous quote,
""Think local" should apply to the job market too!"

Its a shame the States don't believe this.

Local building firms are scrabbling around looking for work and a few will go bust soon if thiongs don't pick up.

But all the big jobs are being given to foreign companies.

Surely the States must realise that by employing Jersey firms the island will make more money.

Local firms employ local residents who own homes, pay rents and shop in Jersey.

Money paid to these firms stays on the island and circulates throughout the local economy.

Thats supposed to be a good thing isnt it?

Web Guru said...

jersey channel islands the scrooge

Anonymous said...

Stuart I see the old wind bag has encouraged her son to make detrimental comments about you again. You naughty man you did not allow him to exercise his rights of "Freedom of Speech" on YOUR blog to undermine yet again those who have been abused, those who stand up for equal rights for all.

Sad isn't it, the latest load of codswallop he has posted has reaffirmed my belief that the only thing the old windbag has learnt in the past couple of years is that your sins shall find you out.

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

If people in Jersey ever wonder why I get sick of politics - just consider the reportage by BBC Jerk this morning.

The Bridget Broacasting Corporation reported on the terribly important topic of the latest partisan oppression against me by PPC.

Naturally - they didn't ask the Constable of St. Mary a single solitary one of the obvious questions.

No big suprise - same "standards" we've grown used to.

But even so - I thought I should point out a brazen lie in the piece.

At the end Matthew Price claimed that several attempts had been made to contact me for a response to this story.

This was simply a total lie.

Zero effort was made to contact me. I've had not one e-mail, text, or call on my mobile.

OK - not that I would have bothered in any event unless they interviewed me live - but even so - it was noteworthy to hear them simply lying about non-exsistant attempts to contact me for comment.

Stuart

voiceforchildren said...

Stuart.

My 15 year old son told me about this song on Youtube. He has it on his phone now, It's not a "cool" song for a 15 year old boy to have on his phone but after what he has been through it is understandable.

It brought a tear to my eye, the lyrics are powerful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbmmFwNJJTY

Anonymous said...

The few comments about De La Salle here are I fear , merely some form of 'Stockholm syndrome'.
I speak from first hand experience here with my grand father ,father, myself (14 years in total) and two sons 28 years in total). Yes I recognise all the things, about six of the best from Mr S.....,Bro. Tommygun etc etc. But this was just the way it was then not some organised conspiracy against 'non-farmers'. My parents never contributed anything and were always late paying fees, and I still only got the same amount of board rubbers thrown at me as everyone else!

Anonymous said...

"Zero effort was made to contact me. I've had not one e-mail, text, or call on my mobile."

They have lost all their credibility.

What these morons don't seem to understand is that when they pull stunts like this it goes global.
Look at the numbers you have reading this blog Stuart. Some of those people are from the USA and Canada - I know that, because I've passed this blog link to many people myself, and I'm sure many other people have done the same.

If the Bonehead Brainwashing Club can't be relied upon to report the truth then they will at least be shown up for what they are - liars.

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voiceforchildren said...

Stuart.

Re; the Bridget Broadcasting Crap.
I have been refused permission to go on the phone-in to talk about ANY subject.

They really have sunk to some deep depths now. I have decided I will be talking to a couple of the "Journalists" only it will be through my camera.

As Chris Stone insists on cutting me off when I have been on air, and will not reply to my e-mails asking him why, I am forced to ask him on Camera and share the footage with my viewers/readers.

I don't know why you don't get yourself a camera.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

'Stockholm Syndrome’ -yeah, right!
I am not a Catholic,like a few others at that hell hole.
Not being brainwashed by the Vatican was a succinct disadvantage.
The Catholic brothers were sadists and S***** used to stand on this stone bench and command respect instantly, just like Caesar or Mussolini.
He got off on his power by brutality.

My dad worked extra hours to pay my fees for that place, in the belief it was a good school. They were aware of that. Did not stop them coming to my house with a begging bowl.

Anonymous said...

Matty P? You only have to listen to the pedantic t*** for a few seconds to get an accurate impression of what he's like!

Anonymous said...

Excellent eduction you had there at De La Salle Mr Anon. What are you on about with refering to the Stockholm Syndrome?

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed.

No one has suggested feeling some kind of loyalty to the 'teachers' for the abuse.

I am well aware that corporal punishment was de rigeur at that moment in history. It was how it was applied.

It wasn't just 6 of the best from Mr S. It was, in my case anyway, a punch in the face from Mr *, a backhander in the mouth from Mr ** (neither brothers).

re your fair share of board rubbers being thrown at you, do you think it has EVER been acceptable to throw a block of wood at the head of a child?

Anonymous said...

Regarding alleged discrimination by the communications media:

"On n'attrape pas les mouches avec du vinaigre."

Or, if you like:

"There is more than one way to skin a cat."

Anonymous said...

Is this what the BBC licence tax gets spent on??! I couldnt care less but pathetic liberal institutions are promoting pedofilia. Isn't it obvious? Send them all back were they came from. That would certainly cause a bit more care to be taken!

Linda Corby said...

Web Guru said...

jersey channel islands the scrooge

Thanks Web Guru for putting out the link.

Thanks also and much respect to VRC (give me a ring if you want to interview Brian or myself or for that matter our daughter April,) plus a big thank you to those of you who have left a comment on my article, it is appreciated.

If anyone wants to hear what Brian my hubby said on the Sunday talkback here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p003hp71/Talkback_28_06_2009/

If we all keep shouting to the cellular jungle that is the net, at some point in time we might just be heard!

Anonymous said...

Matthew Price - NUMPTY

Anonymous said...

Hell will freeze over - Sarah Ferguson agreed with you - thats politics!

Anonymous said...

PPC is upset by Stuarts language!
oh dear......
What bothers me PPC, is the objective 'justice for survivors' is of far greater importance and you should be spending time on this and not nit picking on trivia. Why not select the higher moral order route instead of completely brushing it aside to save Jerseys image and some of your friends from La Moye. I don't know how you can hold your heads up in Jersey these days. You should be deeply ashamed. Unless you do the right thing and do a complete u-turn, the history books will not be kind to you.

Jill Gracia said...

OPERATION BLAST - Next episode when???

Farcical, farcical, farcical. They know nooooooooooothing!

Terry Le Sueur answered questions by NOT answering them and passing the buck to Ian Le Marquand who was also divulging nothing.

Then....Timothy Le Cocq knew nothing.

So, watch this space, just don't hold your breath.

You couldn't get better entertainment at the Opera House, and this is free to boot!

Anonymous said...

True the teachers at De La Salle did not discriminate when it came to being strapped or belted round the head. I was at DLS at the end of the 70s and our parents had to pledge so much per year to the building fund.
What I found strange at DLS was that the kids showered with speedos on. This was because the sports teacher stood and watched us showering. Mind you could have been worse my parents first choice had been Victoria College.

Anonymous said...

In the 70s it felt normal to be strapped and hit round the head at De La Salle. I was about to say that I turned out okay but I can be violent at times. Mind you I was beaten up by the coppers when I was fifteen. I do not hold a grudge but what goes round comes round. Peace.

Anonymous said...

Chris Brights tribute to Phil is cringe worthy.... he is almost begging fpr his M.B.E

Anonymous said...

Ogley maintains he had nothing to do with Operation Blast... that will do for me.

For those conspiracy theorists we could view the contemporaneous notes of the meeting between Graham Power and Ogley - woops... we can't see them cos Oglet swiftly shredded them ....

Anonymous said...

The 'gravy train' of abuse

Stuart,

A few months ago Jersey had a number of so-called VIP's in abuse/therapy/etc., descend on you and the media and the survivors. I expected them to disappear without doing anything.

Did they do anything?

DT

Anonymous said...

Stuart

My email to the BBC complaints department - will keep posted of the outcome!

"Dear Mr Bell

Thank you for your response to my letter. I very much appreciate your investigation of this matter.

I would be grateful if you could forward my general complaint about BBC Jersey, as you suggest, to the Head of Accountability in BBC news.

I am also happy that you have summarised my complaint accurately.

I've taken the liberty of contacting Senator Syvret and you may find it helpful to get in touch with him yourself about the matter raised in my complaint, after all he was directly involved.

He can be contacted at st.syvret@gmail.com

Thank you for your attention in this matter, and I look forward to reading the outcome of your investigation in due course.

Yours sincerely "

Proud Survivor said...

"Stockholm Syndrome originated in Stockholm, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal."

It may be you Mr Anonymous who has this Syndrome not the people who remember the brutality at De la Salle. Having experienced a spell in a convent myself I think they may be the rational ones!

Anonymous said...

OPERATION BLAST - Next episode when???

Farcical, farcical, farcical. They know nooooooooooothing!


Honestly it's like 15 drunken monkeys trying to put together a jigsaw in the dark.

If the chief minister and the home affairs minister cannot provide the island with the truth maybe they are not up to the standard required to hold such positions.

Anonymous said...

Sounds to me that the Verita enquiry might as well go on - Bob Hill made a good point - if you do compromise you may sway the issue...but I am not holding my freath......I hope Jimminy Cricket of St Martin wont be back in time!
I think Mrs Pryke is being hoodwinked, she sometimes sounds sincere and she may well be but I think she will be putty in front of cutthroat civil servants fighting to preserve their social status and reputations not to forget salaries and pensions!

Anonymous said...

"Chris Brights tribute to Phil is cringe worthy.... he is almost begging fpr his M.B.E"

Tomorrow, a doctor with a flashlight shows us where that tribute came from.

g said...

I am confused if it wasn't oglie who was it then?

Senator Stuart Syvret said...

It was Ogley

Stuart

Anonymous said...

I see you're in trouble for those e-mails Stuart.
Why?
You have the right to dislike anyone you like and to express that dislike honestly in an email.

Next stop thought crimes.

It won't be enough to obey the bailiff you will HAVE to love him also.

Red Rover said...

Do 49 members of the states condone child abuse? It does not matter whether they hate Stuart or not. Some of you are so stupid and resort to trying to shut Stuart up. You are as bad if not worse than the child abusers. How can you sleep at night.

Anonymous said...

How much of tax payers cash was spent on the portrait of the retiring paedos friend ballache. What a waste of money. He will be remembered for the paedos cover ups.

Jill Gracia said...

'It brought a tear to my eye, the lyrics are powerful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbmmFwNJJTY'

VFC - Have just listened to this - what a powerful and moving song which says it all really.

Maybe the Jersey Abuse Survivors should adopt this as 'their' song to use at any time they have a march/protest/or wish to make themselves heard as they indeed will on....

SATURDAY 4TH JULY 2009
PROTEST FOR JUSTICE

Please, please take an hour of your time to show you care. One hour of your time is nothing compared to the abuse survivors lost childhoods.

Pour Les Contres said...

So, Jersey's Chief Minister says States chief executive Bill Ogley had nothing to do with ordering Operation Blast, the covert police investigation into States Members private lives.

How do we know this?

Terry Le Sueur asked Bill Ogley, who said he had nothing to do with it.

If the review is conducted in the same way the result will be the same.

If this is how all investigations in Jersey are carried out then no wonder so many of the guilty are still free.

Can't at least some States Members see that the States Assembly is rapidly losing its credibility?

Now that Terry has stuck two fingers up at the JEP will we see them printing the truth?

Do you think they would have the courage to face Ogley in court?

It is hard to believe the level of contempt that Le Sueur & COM, Ogley & crew have for both the good government & good people of Jersey.

Anonymous said...

Not surprising to note that the Brigit Broadcasting Company has led their bulletin with Ogley stating that there is no EVIDENCE to link him with Operation Blast despite others suggesting that he instigated to McCarthyesq files.

I hope that evidence to the contrary will surface as I think he does know about this issue and also our ex Chief Minister must know about it...............

Where is Wendy Kinnard in all this ..............Truth Will OUT.............

voiceforchildren said...

Stuart.

After listening to bits of the States yesterday, it sounded like you would have more support for you proposition if you were to drop paragraph "e"

I'm not sure if I have this right or not. The way I read it is, if you drop paragraph"e" that would mean Verita can carry on with their "investigation" and the independent investigation would also go ahead?

If I am reading this right then wouldn't it pay to drop paragraph "e"? That way the Rourke family and the Jersey people get two investigations as apposed to one?

Anonymous said...

My forecast:

Phil Bailhache is only retiring as the Bailiff. He will remain as a judge in the Royal Court by returning as a commissioner.

Watch this space...

Bilious Ugly said...

So we're expected to believe that nobody knew about it except Graham Power and his officers working on the op?

Like we're going to swallow that!

Political Soap Opera said...

So Ozo is telling Higgins to hurry up with the investors' protection scheme that Higgins had actually proposed years ago but that Ozo had ignored back then? Most amusing!

Anonymous said...

Precisely!!!! Where is Wendy Kinnard?

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable....35 to 15 against your proposition.
Lets hope that the Verita team were listening to your speeches,(and others), because they are now really going to have to achieve results.
Or else!!

Anonymous said...

The Chief Miniture did not say the Ogley denied being the second man. What he said was that Ogley had made it very clear that there was no evidence connecting him to the files.

For the benefit of those States members who are a little hard of thinking, that means that Ogley has NOT denied being involved, he simply considers that there is no evidence around which will link him. Only the word of a disgruntled copper...

Of course, we all know what Ogley does with evidence don't we?

Anonymous said...

Op Blast:- There must be at least 4 people with evidence. GP, FW, BO & possibly LH? Notes or tape recordings.

Bill has shredded his!!

Frank's are 'ashes'!!!!

That leaves Graham:- Using his to get closure on this suspension maybe?

There is definitely some ego wrestling going on here!

And then we have TLS. Oh dear!

"Move along ladies and gentlemen. No evidence of anything to see here."

Jill Gracia said...

'So Ozo is telling Higgins to hurry up with the investors' protection scheme that Higgins had actually proposed years ago but that Ozo had ignored back then? Most amusing!'

The very protection scheme Ozouf said would be in place before the end of LAST year at a meeting of the disgruntled Landsbanki customers!!

You take your time Mr Higgins - at least we know it will be a job well done.

Anonymous said...

Party time

Anonymous said...

The majority of our States members are desperately covering for Ogley and Pollard....but why?

voiceforchildren said...

Stuart.

You made very valid points in your speech today. It was difficult to see how anybody could vote against the proposal, bloody hell even Sarah Ferguson decided not to do what she was told and voted in favour!!

So thanks to our States, more importantly our Constables, the electorate still have no faith in our Health System or our Government. This vote is going to go down in the annuls of history as one of the worst votes ever to be recorded and the families of those who voted against it will suffer for it, perhaps long after they have gone, nonetheless, those people will always be remembered for it.

So the very people who are culpable for the death of Elizabeth Rourke have set the terms and conditions, or remit for the investigation and 35 of our States members are happy with that! you really coudn't make this lot up.

My heart goes out to the friends and family of Elizabeth Rourke and anybody elses friends and family who have been a victim of our Hospital.

Anonymous said...

The fifteen people who voted for your proposition should put in a vote of no confidence in the senior management of H&SS, specifically Mike Pollard the CEO and Richard Lane the Medical Director.

Never mind any other investigations etc. A no confidence vote would rid us of the source of the poison that infects the health service.

Anonymous said...

"Bill has shredded his!!

Frank's are 'ashes'!!!! "

Well surely then, that is an admission of guilt in a court of law - a REAL court of law, not one of those donkey corrupt things which pass as courts of justice these days. Secret courts in a democracy, for goodness sake!

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