Promise to hold Public Inquiry Broken
In this posting I re-produce a press-statement issued today by the Jersey Care Leavers Association. They are responding to the news that the Jersey government has betrayed its promise to hold a public inquiry into the Jersey Child Abuse Disaster.
I’ve often written on this blog that power in Jersey is corrupted, out-of-control, not subject to any functioning checks and balances and that the public have no means of holding the authorities to account.
Sadly – the evidence for that being so just keeps on accumulating.
There are certain immutable facts; for example – the fact that Jersey’s entire system of public administration failed – for decades – to protect vulnerable children in its care from suffering the most monstrous cruelties and abuse. Only now – forty years too late – have some of the abusers been convicted. Not one single part of Jersey’s public authority ever did the right thing, until recent times. On the contrary – the evidence is overwhelming that those working within the child “protection” apparatus – pro-actively defended each other from scrutiny and accountability.
What conclusion must we draw about the standard of governance in Jersey – given that there is no other administration in the western, democratic world that would avoid a public inquiry into such matters?
Given that all of the relevant parts of Jersey’s public administration so disastrously failed – and given that so many of the culpable individuals found mutual cause in covering things up – can we really be surprised that the island’s government now refuses to establish a public inquiry?
Back in the early part of 2007, when I was Health & Social Services Minister – I became the first and only Jersey politician to recognise what was going wrong – to investigate it – and to seek to combat it. I wanted to establish an independent external investigation back then into the failure of Jersey’s child “protection” apparatus. I mentioned that fact when answering a question in the island’s parliament.
The response of the Jersey oligarchy was to have me sacked – for “undermining staff morale”.
Given that the Jersey oligarchy – even then – preferred to become the only jurisdiction on the face of the planet to sack a Social Services Minister for trying to protect vulnerable children – we can’t – sadly – be that surprised that the last thing they want to do is hold a public inquiry into just how it was that so many children were subjected to so much abuse by the Jersey government.
It is increasingly clear that the legal actions I’m attempting to take forward represent the last chance survivors have of getting to the truth of the failures and cover-ups by Jersey’s public authorities.
In the meantime – we should all share in the sense of anger and betrayal felt by the survivors.
And we should all be asking ourselves the question, ‘if – even now – our government can’t behave honestly and ethically over such an important matter – just what malfeasances and other failures are they hiding?’
Stuart
PRESS RELEASE FROM JERSEY CARE LEAVERS ASSOCIATION
TUESDAY 1ST FEBRUARY 2011
It is with the utmost dismay that we hear today that the Council of Ministers has reneged on a promise made in 2008 to hold a full Committee of Enquiry into the Historical Abuse enquiry.
This really has to be the final straw for us, and the anger felt towards the Council of Ministers over this decision is beyond comprehension.
Time and again we have been let down by the States of Jersey, from our childhood right through to this very sad day.
Contrary to what Senator Le Sueur has implied, there has been NO consultation with the JCLA over this; indeed we seem to be the least important people in all this. However may we make it quite clear that we demand a full and public enquiry that was promised into all this, and nothing less will suffice.
Senator Le Sueur has stressed that such an enquiry will be costly and not be of any benefit at this moment in time. What was costly was the expense of ‘rubbishing’ the enquiry and the reputations of Mr Power and Mr Harper who were so supportive of us, and replacing them with Messrs Warcup and Gradwell who took approximately 71 days to entirely ‘trash’ the investigation, and sabotage the abuse enquiry. May we remind you that Mr. Harper and his team acted on information they received from both the survivors and witnesses, had they not acted, they would have been held accountable.
This broken promise means that again we feel abused – not in the physical or sexual ways that we encountered in States care, but emotionally inasmuch as we have been ignored and cast aside once more.
The lack of caring and the clear intention of the Council of Ministers to not bring closure to this matter, means that exactly the opposite will happen and the public will still have grave misgivings about the whole handling of this affair and the now so transparent cover-up of the historic child abuse investigation.
There is no justification for this decision at all.
Carrie Modral
Chair JCLA
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I listened to our chief minister bumbling his way through another states sitting ,never giving a straight answer to any question and I am so angry on behalf of the JCLA.Please carry on your fight for justice.
Broken lives blighted again by broken promises.
I listened to this statement with disbelief and more than a little anger. Some of what Le Sueur said was absolutely tosh and it made me very, very angry indeed.
Hell and damnation to all of those responsible for this further let down to the abuse survivors, namely the Council of Ministers.
Do these people not know the meaning of the word honourable inasmuch as promises are made to be kept, not broken.
Shame on you all.
Stuart.
Yet another promise broken by our ruling elite. They are out of control and un-acountable, how long can the Jersey public, and most of all, the Abuse Survivors tolerate this level of cover up and corruption?
The truth, that isn't already out, is coming out. My heart goes out to the Abuse Survivors and my continued support for getting the truth exposed.
We must start a petition to have this decision reverted, this is appalling and cannot be allowed .
I think once the voting pattern is known, we should start e mailing our glorious leaders and ask them why they feel a public enquiry is not necessary
Saddened and disgusted,
My thoughts are with the victims
It is sticking two fingers up at all the people who were subjected to abuse and worse. At the same time, they are content to snub all of us who have tried to obtain justice and there is no one who has tried more than Stuart.
They are despicable. Given they will not address the issues in these cases, it puts them on a level with the abusers. A conspiracy of, by and for, the pervert paedophiles who seem to be untouchable. I think we need to ask why this is.
Frances.
Your goverment should be ashamed of itself we can all see the cover up they are engaged in.
The signs and symbols of plutarchy are to be seen everywhere...
Wake up, look around your daily life and see what the apethetic majority have allowed to flourish.
It is the same in every country...
Don't understand?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy
Anon.
Cover up cover up cover up what a shameful bunch of spineless cowards the council of ministers are.
I AM FURIOUS!
I have finally recieved a reply to the FOI request that I sent, asking the simple question WHO NOMINATED FRANK WALKER FOR AN OBE?
Well, apparently that information is TOP SECRET, as per usual, the general public are not entitled to know, due to the FOI letout clause section 37 (1)(b)public interest test!
This is just getting ridiculous now. They can use these clauses to stop any of us getting any information at all! Its a waste of time having a ruddy FOI Act if they are just going to get all these planet brained legal eagles to find section 4729(g) )codswallop) {35} [2710] or whatever to wriggle out of it all the time!
Will be writing a blog post about this latest slap in the face.
good catholic boy is terry!!
Stuart proved right again about Sean Power!
What has happened to this Island? The Chief Minister and his cohorts need removing Egyptian Stylie. Not even a committee of enquiry? Can this be right? Did the other states members know that this was coming? The Media can receive awards and yet the Abuse Survivors receive nothing.
Can someone please put the names of these Council of Ministers up on this Blog. They must remain nameless no more. Lets have names.
READ IT
Excellent
From the direct.gov.uk I found this.
Considering the award is for services to public then surely it would follow this would meet the public interest test?
Challenging a response to an information request
If your request for information is refused, you should first ask the public body to review their decision. Someone from the public body who was not connected with the initial decision should do this.
If you disagree with the reviewed decision, you can appeal to the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO). This is an independent body that promotes access to official information and protects personal information. If information has been wrongly withheld, the ICO can order it to be released.
If you disagree with the ICO's decision, you can appeal to the Information Rights Tribunal. This is an independent body that can look into your case and the ICO's decision. There are specific steps and deadlines you will need to follow when you appeal. If you disagree with the tribunal's decision, there are more options, but you may need professional advice.
I am disgusted with our Chief Minister's speach regarding the decision not to hold an inquiry into Child Abuse.
There should be no less than an inquiry held in full, and in public, to prove and ensure to the abuse survivors and the general public that there has been no cover up, or any appearance of a cover up and to prove that all efforts were made to bring perpetrators of abuse to stand trial before the Courts. An inquiry is imperative to prove the integrity of our parliament and also especially of our judicial system.
Hi Stuart
After hearing our Chief Minister bring the Island of Jersey into disrepute I sent an email. I suggest others do the same
The Jersey Abuse SurvivorsTuesday, 1 February,
2011 13:42
From: "rico sorda" View contact details
To: bqueree@jerseyeveningpost.com, b.shenton@gov.je, B.Hill@gov.je, c.egre@gov.je, D.Wimberley@gov.je, d.mezbourian@gov.je, f.cohen@gov.je, f.legresley@gov.je, g.southern@gov.je, i.lemarquand@gov.je, i.gorst@gov.je, j.hilton@gov.je, j.lef@gov.je, jrhingston@yahoo.co.uk, Jl.Perchard@gov.je... more
Dear Chief Minister and COM
Did anyone inform the JCLA about todays staement? History is recording the actions of this Goverment in its past and present treatment of the Jersey Child Abuse Victims. If you think that the rubbish printed by the local media will keep future historians in the dark and conceal the actions of this and past Governments secret you are in for a shock.
Zero respect for the Abuse Survivors
Again and Again they will come second best to the 'Image of Jersey' and the 'Money God'
Are you all walking in Blindness as to what is going on?
Man in Brussels (Good)
Committee of Enquiry into the Child Abuse Scandal (Bad)
You tell me what is going on
Rico Sorda
Zoompad i guess the public interest test would be hindered to this effect
''However, the right to know must be balanced against the need to enable effective government.
Therefore, for each qualified exemption there may be particular public interest considerations in favour of refusing the request. ''
Guessing an Oligarchy nominated FW this would hinder effective government as if we need more excuses
Can i be the first to congratulate the farce blog on terminating the housing minister from his post is that what the americans call blue on blue. Am i right in thinking that this is only the beginning of a very murky pool that goes all the way to data protection.
Strange place is jersey.
"Challenging a response to an information request"
Don't you worry, I WILL be challenging it, I am really annoyed about this now. There is NO WAY this info can be secret, they're just misusing the let out clauses now to cover up the fact that they have got cronies to nominate Frank Wa*ker, because only someone from the Frank Wa*ker Do-Us-A-Favour-Nudge-Nudge-Nod's-As-Good-As-A-Wink clan would ever be wanting to nominate such a heartless morally bereft creep.
Oh yes.
All the way to Data Protection.
Don't worry - she's going to be subjected to the full scrutiny of the law.
Judicial review - a powerful tool.
Stuart
Sean Power on the news didn't look that bothered.
Oh, he won't be. If everything stops at this stage - why, it will be happy days for him.
He can now try and re-build some credibility from the back-benches - as a populist anti-CoM "outsider" - all nicely convenient in the build-up to the elections.
By far the real - and far more interesting - issue here - is not so much Power - it is the law enforcement apparatus of Data Protection Commissioner - States of Jersey Police - and Attorney General.
It's how that little triumvirate perform - that's going to be the most fascinating spectacle.
Stuart
"Sean Power on the news didn't look that bothered"
Believe me Gazza he is
"Zero respect for the Abuse Survivors"
They hate all of us. They would stamp on our heads and put us all in a big hole if they could.
I hope none of the HDLG survivors is getting depressed about all of this. Don't get depressed, get angry, and channel that anger into investigating these dirty scabs to find out all their nasty secrets. It's much better fot your health to get angry than depressed, and it can be a driving force into doing good stuff. We can't any of us get our wrecked lives back, but what we can do is to protect the next generation by busting these creeps!They can't hide everything, even if they try, and those big mouthed idiots on that Blog from Hell were always letting little snippets of interesting stuff out of the bag, it's partly thanks to those dolts that I found out about Richard Webster being in the BFMS. Thats probably why they have made it private, hahaha, its too late now that we have found stuff out hahahahaha!
Housing Minister resigns
The Housing Minister has resigned after seven months in the job after being discovered to have leaked private emails.
Deputy Sean Power was advised by the Chief Minister to resign or face a vote of no confidence.
Deputy Power admitted in a statement that he was found to have breached data protection laws after passing on emails that belonged to another Deputy.
In his statement he said: "At a meeting today, the Council of Ministers has expressed a view that I should resign as Housing Minister and I now do so".
He went on to explain that he had found printed-out emails in the States Building on 5th August 2010 between the Deputy of Grouville, Carolyn Labey, and Deputy Judy Martin.
These emails also included correspondence between the Deputy of Grouville and former Senator Stuart Syvret.
Deputy Power admitted in his statement that he scanned these emails and said it was in order to seek advice on what to do.
These emails were later found on internet sites.
He said: "I scanned the document and emailed it to myself. I put the email in my bag. My feelings in those minutes were at best, confused."
Deputy Power said he took the email back to his office and posted it to the Data Protection Commissioner.
He said he also scanned the emails and then emailed the document on to one person to ask them for their advice.
It was this move, he said, that caused him to - unintentionally, he claims - breach the Data Protection Code.
He said: "My mistake was this act of scanning and forwarding to a third party".
Deputy Power defended his actions and said of the emails: "The contents were, in my opinion, salacious and I did want the Data Protection Commissioner to see it".
Deputy Power said he will continue his duties as Deputy of St Brelade.
He was only recently appointed Housing Minister in June.
Yes - but no massed, ten-strong police raid - false imprisonment - and search without a search warrant?
Shome mishtake, shurley?!?!
Stuart
There is no need to hack emails in a system, for example, any company using Microsoft Business Systems such as Exchange or similar, can set up their mail server which accepts all external and internal mail, to send copies of any account to another without any recipient having any idea.
No hacking required, just a click on a check box and hey presto, Mr or Mrs X gets a copy!!
Amazing how they try to use the Sean Power story to brush over the biggest story today.
Yes, there is something of the 'side-show' about Sean Power and his conduct. I mean, it's hardly surprising, as the man was always very obviously just a little spiv.
By far the more important issue is the wretched and spectacular betrayal of Jersey survivors by the island's government.
Though - that said - the two stories are not entirely unrelated.
Laying at the core of both - like a festering canker - is the biased, perverted and politicised 'use' of the law enforcement apparatus by the Jersey oligarchy.
People on the side of the oligarchy - get - at worst - a slap on the wrist with a piece of wet lettuce. Even if they've been overtly criminal.
But - upset the oligarchy - and they'll mobilise the full might of their police-state forces against you - in the most disproportionate of ways for the most trivial of things.
It is against that background - in which whistleblowers live in fear - and criminals live secure in the knowledge they'll be protected - that child abuse - and the criminal concealment of child abuse - is able to happen.
Stuart
Deputy Sean Power, what a load of sh*te he gave as a feeble attempt to offer an excuse.
What on earth would the Data Protection Office need a copy of private email between two deputies!!!
Anyone with an ounce of brain power, would know what should have been done, in the following order:-
1) if possible give it to the sender, that warns them that someone may have stolen it from their desk or they had left it on the copier and others may have read it.
2) shred it
3) burn it
4) bin it
5) keep the copy and take it home
6) make a copy and ermm not sure what to do with the original!!
7) not sure what to do with the copy of an email, send it to a friend to give you some advice
8) let it be posted up on a web site of no consequence, allowing various people to read it for more than one day!
--------------------------------
You get to understand the level of intelligence a deputy has when he takes decides to ignore the first four sensible options, stupid is the word that comes to mind, or perhaps vindictive might fit a little better.
However, then he resigns, but does not offer an apology, how crazy is this stupid idiot!!!
Hi Stuart
Can we concentrate on the awful decision of TLS and his henchman on your blog and do Sean Power on mine. I don't want the Deputy Power story getting in the way of the big one
SEAN POWER
Rico
I'm inclined to agree with you - but it seems inevitable that some readers will want to comment here.
But, yes - let me recommend that anyone curious about the Sean Power incident go to Rico's blog - via the link above.
Stuart
How many people just happen to find something and then scan it?
Get real.
To then email this found collection of emails to data protection commissioner makes no sense.
Were they found on the floor. If they fell off a desk why not carefully place them back.
I am sure Mr. Power would know where CL sat in the States of Jersey he could of easily handed them over to the person they belonged to.
Hope there is a Domino Affect
Housing Minister resigns
Let's hope that the public uprisings in North Africa start a trend.
Hi Stuart.
Just put up the Audio of the Statement given today by our Great Chief Minister, on not having a Public Inquiry.
You can Listen Here
How thick does this guy think the public are? In parah 6 of his statement he says, I took it back to my office and subsquently posted it that afternoon to tne Data Protection Commissioner with a hand written note.
In parah 9 he says however the contents were in my opinion salacious and i did not want the DPC, to see it. he also says he contacted a third party but refuses to name them and he won't apollogise to Deputy Labey, Who is his adviser I would like to know, the arrogance of this guy to think that now he has been found out for the underhand type of deputy he is while representing us in the states (Because he knew exactly what he was doing he knew very well that he had some explosive information and possibilly asked the third party how it it could be used to best advantage)but it appears it actually bit him in the bum) he now suggests he will just continue his duties as a deputy for the parish. ME DOSEN'T THINK SO HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED.
Sean Power
I have been found to be in breach of a regulation of the Data Protection (Jersey) Law 2005 by the Data Protection Commissioner. Consequently, I have been found to be in breach of the Ministerial Code of Conduct.
How can he deny anything, he reads Deputy Labeys letter like a little school boy he then copies private correspondence regarding deputy Labeys private life with Stuart Syvret he then e mails it to others i.e third party, it then appears on a Internet blog that is violently anti Syvret and he claims no knowledge of the web site where it appears the man is a disgrace and should resign from the States completely I voted for this person never again WILL SEAN POWER NOW BE PROSECUTED FOR BREACH OF DATA PROTECTION LAWS or do they only apply to Stuart Syvret
I understand not wanting to dwell on the politician also know as..
Most of your readers will not know this phrase.
Gombeen Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombeen_man
Team Ozouf make another offensive move & the Jersey Evening Post jump as and when told.
Former Deputy Lyndon Farnham (SPAR, Channel Island Wholesale Group and Royal Yacht Hotel director) steps in to save four Senators' seats.
One of which he has his eye on. It can't do any harm to business, can it?
Stuart,
Getting back to the HDLG rubbishing.
The overseas replacement for the failed early retirement HR Chief Executive Ian Crick, has handed in her notice.
She took over as Human Resources Chief Executive, during the disastrous suspension of Graham Power, but didnot take control and didnot correct the situation.
Is this why she is going back to the Mainland after only 2 years in the top position?
Anyway what has she done in those 2 years?
Did she decide that "The Jersey Way", wasnot for her?
No Zoompad I am not depressed by the treachery of TLS and his henchmen. I am not even surprised by it as they are far too brown trousered to dare to risk an inqiry into such a putrid stinking can of worms.
I am not a person who gets angry easily but I was so angry when I heard this news that I couldn't put my anger into words until I had time to calm down. Anger doesn't really describe how I feel. I have a hot, burning feeling inside that makes me want to explode. I am furious with the people who hurt children and teenagers like myself in Jersey for so many years and I am livid with the people who let them get away with it and went to great lengths and great expense to cover the whole sorry mess up.
Thank you Carrie for your very clear statement. I am sure you and the other members of the JCLA are feeling like this too. I am crying as I write this but my anger is not a helpless type of anger. It is an anger that makes me feel stonger and more determined to see this fight through, The fight for the truth
Lorna
BBC Jersey News Page Watch
They are still leading with;
1 February 2011 Last updated at 16:55
No Jersey care homes historic child abuse inquiry
It is now 1 February 2011 23:15
Guess they'll get round to the Sean Power story sometime ... Thursday?
Question re. Sean Power...
Why would anyone's first instinct be to scan it and send it to the data protection officer?
Roger Barra was not kind to Shaun Power.
Roger also confirmed that bbc radio jersey had recieved copies of that email. He denies that his third party copied it on.
'Roger Barra was not kind to Shaun Power.
Roger also confirmed that bbc radio jersey had recieved copies of that email. He denies that his third party copied it on.'
HE.... being Shaun Power
No comment box as usual on rag online re power.
Q. what is the difference between SS data accusation & those of el tel & power?
1 charged 2 not so!!
being a signed up member of data protection would like to know what am paying £50.00 a year for if don't have to,become a states member on the "right" side i suppose.
On reflection would rather pay the £50.00
It's a pity Roger Barra is not even handed in his questioning will 'any States Member'!
puzzled to read someone commenting that Barra is not even handed. I take the viewpoint that he is fair handed, has the knack of asking the correct questions,and is not easily fobbed off. He is COOL !
I didn't hear the interview as I largely gave up on BBC Jersey even when I was still in the States - let alone now.
But in general terms, Roger Barra was always very pro-establishment. I struggle to recollect - indeed, I can't recollect - hearing a single interview when he really gave a Jersey Establishment Party member a hard time.
When reflecting on the performance of local media such as BBC Jersey - the crucial factor to take into account - are the questions that do not get asked - and the interviews that simply never happen.
'Omission' - is possibly the greatest failing of Jersey's mainstream media.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Apologies for the interuption in your emotive comments section.
I have taken ownership of the Planet Jersey forum and intend to add new features in the weeks ahead. There will be new mods, admins and technical staff drawn from a cross section of society. There will also be a new homepage containing news content and more in-depth reporting on cultural, political, social and environmental issues supported by video content and in time Twitter and Facebook feeds will be added.
The intention is obviously to widen the readership and grow the membership in this election year and I hope that by focussing on important grass roots community issues we will be able to reflect the views of a wide range of people who are interested in Jersey, whether they live here or not.
Moderation will also be much more evident than in the past and house rules, especially regarding personal insults and abuse will not be tolerated. There has been a polarisation of political debate in the past which has almost killed off any chance of informed and reasonable discussion on the forum. I will be keeping a close eye on this in the future and any transgressions will result in lengthy or permanent bans.
Planet Jersey's news team will strive not to display any overt political bias - we will strive for balance in our reporting and intend to ask searching questions right across the political spectrum and offer our readership informed critiques of the ministerial and scrutiny functions. Our intention ultimately is to be the central online news portal for Jersey but we realise there is a long way to go before that can be realised and that we need your support to make that happen.
And to pay for all this we are going to carry advertising and rate cards will be available in the weeks ahead.
Enjoy Planet Jersey and if you haven't posted anything for a while please do so in the next month as I will be deleting old accounts that have not been active for the last 120 days. Many old threads that are also deemed no longer relevant will also be archived. And rest assured your personal member information is secure and that Planet Jersey will be registered with Data Protection.
There's also a large archive of comments on Deputy Sean Power and the HDLG inquiry which make for very interesting reading in light of recent events
Best wishes to you and all your readers.
Ole Razzy, excuse me if you think I am being a bit nosy, but who bare you exactly?
Also, are you going to stop Jon and Adrien calling people "Nutters", and is the forum just for people in Jersey or can other people, from any religion or non religion post there?
Stuat, I think you and others are right about Sean Power being the less important story. What matters here is TLS's non-decision.
A good Catholic, someone commenting says.That's relevant. The story of the Catholic Church's refusal to enquire into guilt has been often repeated in different countries.
So perhaps Terry is following the example of his Church - what problem, no problem, how can there be a problem, we are perfect. It is what Jersey's Catholic 'leader' proclaims whenever he can.
But Catholicism's hatred for abuse victims and their survivors has been uncovered from the outside. By governments and the victims themselves.
The same will happen in Jersey. Someone must step in.
Who is 'responsible for good government' in Jersey, according to the Kilbrandon report? Not the Bailiff or Governor, but London.
When will they act?
This was cut and paste from the main BBC Jersey page.
ROFPML!
''Jersey's housing minister resigns
Senator Freddie Cohen has resigned as housing minister after breaching data protection laws.''
Ah - the "quality" of local journalism.
Stuart
Both Roger Bara this morning and the CTV interviewer last night failed to press Sean Power on the following…
His actions; ‘workmen’ were in the building so to protect confidentiality he copies it and sends it to a third party. What exactly could any of those workmen have done that was worse?
His claims; that this wasn’t a ‘leak’. If copying the document to a third party isn’t leaking it, what is? Why the anonymity for those he distributed it too?
His motives; he clearly saw an opportunity to gain political advantage of the dirtiest kind over parties involved.
His failure to apologise.
And his relationship with a certain blog.
If this happened in the UK questions would be asked of the Prime Minister's judgement in appointing this person in the first place. i bet none of the local media have even put in a request to TLS
Anonymous said "The story of the Catholic Church's refusal to enquire into guilt has been often repeated in different countries."
Long before I landed at HDLG my mother placed me in a Roman Catholic Convent school in Finisterre in France from the age of 10 until 11. Apart from the poor hygiene and lack of nourishing food, I was regularly subjected to beatings for the most trivial offences such as scribbling on a school book. We would be bent over an altar rail and thrashed on the bottom by a nun with what I remember as a riding whip. That nun (now long dead) was called Sister "Angel of Mary!"
I suspect Iris Le Feuvre would say it gave me character! It certainly caused considerable pain and dismay and being so far from home there was nobody to tell.
Lorna
"A good Catholic, someone commenting says.That's relevant. The story of the Catholic Church's refusal to enquire into guilt has been often repeated in different countries."
The Catholic Church has its foot in the door of Government in some pretty subtle ways. I will be doing a blog posting on this as soon as I can, but basically it is involved inj lots and lots of little "Not For Profit" charities. A lot of them (not all) are to do with the caring profession.
I don't think Sean Power was TlS choice for the post.
He was - quite extraordinarily - elected to it - by the States assembly.
But - perhaps not so extraordinary, really.
This after all is the same majority bloc - who voted through P.75/2008 - the corrupt land-re-zoning proposition.
And the same majority bloc who subsequently voted not to inquire into that matter.
Actually, hardly surprising, really - that the same majority of States members who so enjoyed having Tel Boy Le Main as a Housing Minister - should have wanted to replace him with a man who shared so many obvious - err - characteristics.
Stuart
"Who is 'responsible for good government' in Jersey, according to the Kilbrandon report? Not the Bailiff or Governor, but London.
When will they act?"
This is the topic of my reply to Lord McNally's letter sent to me just before Christmas, which I will be posting very soon.
Zoompad said;
"Ole Razzy, excuse me if you think I am being a bit nosy, but who bare you exactly?
Also, are you going to stop Jon and Adrien calling people "Nutters", and is the forum just for people in Jersey or can other people, from any religion or non religion post there?"
To date I have just been a regular poster on the Planet Jersey forum. As the site is now changing I will be required to register the site with the Data Protection commission. Once that happens my identity will become common knowledge.
With regard to personal insults none will ne tolerated in future. We wish to make the site accesible to all ages and regardless of where you live you can register and start to comment on issues that are important to you.
The more people who use it the stronger it will be.
If you have any concerns you would like to discuss then please register as a member an contact me directly as I really dont want to detract from the important comments being made here.
Thanks
Lorna's post seems brave and apposite to me.
If that kind of abuse of children was accepted as the norm in Catholic institutions, and it was, then for those who embrace that kind of Catholicism (there are others), then there is no need to enquire into HDLG.
Sad, stupid but that is the world they inhabit.
Good Luck Ole Razzy. I am glad to see PJ in responsible hands at long last and look forward to casting my eyes over it once again.
"Can someone explain the difference as to this data infraction to the one that Stuart Syvret has allegedy broken & been taken to court for ?"
just posted online jep see if printed & better a reply from someone in the know.
Ole Razzy, thanks for explaining.
Lorna, those nuns, I don't suppose a lot of them really went into the Convent out of love for the Lord of Love. I suspect that for a lot of them it was a way of escaping a dismal situation - out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Going back to Zoompad's query re the OBE nomination for Frank Walker.
I believe that there have to be 3 nominees of some standing. Nominations are considered by a special department within the office of the Prime Minister.
It helps if said nominees have rolled up trouser legs.
The above was established when someone I know was behind a local education chief getting the OBE.
Did you know it stands for "Other buggers efforts"? There might be more appropriate words for Jersey.
Frances.
Minister resigns after breaching data protection code
WHAT A BLOOMING CHEEK!
"Deputy Power forwarded it to the Data Protection Commissioner - and also a third party - and in doing that he breached the Data Protection Code.
He said he accepted that he did breach the rules but claims the Council of Ministers put pressure on him to resign.
He said the worry it has caused him affected his health.
He didn't care about Stuart's health when he put it into the hands of the Bloggers From Doom, nor did he give a monkeys about the health of any of the abuse survivors either, and now he expects people to feel sorry for him? I DON'T THINK SO SOMEHOW!
They really are as hard as nails, there's no real regret, not a peep, he's just sorry for himself that he's been caught out, so selfish.
Isn't an OBE given for exceptional service to the public! if so why is it not the public who propose those they feel deserve it. Let's face it, if the public do not believe it, real public respect will be non existent.
Good way to control those 'special' ones, ie: be a good boy Franky and I'll put in (a proposal) a good word for you mate, how would a knighthood fit you or a least an OBE! oh and by the way, got a bit of a problem you might be able to help with, Stuart Syvret is telling the truth to too many people.
Stuart could you not ask your friends in London if it was possible they could find out who proposed walker?
Stuart,
Do you know why the resently appointed HR Chief Executive is leaving?
And do you think it is relevant/related to yours and Graham Power's circumstances?
Zoompad, I expect you are right about some nuns back in the 1950's but like the staff at HDLG they were not all bad. There was a lovely older nun who let us shell the peas and gave us big cabbage leaves to put in our pants to ease the pain when we had been beaten. She never said anything but I saw her eyes fill with tears more than once when this happened.
The trouble was that when I returned home to Jersey as thin as a rake and crawling with head lice my mother didn't see anything wrong in it when I told her about the beatings. Mind you this was the mother who boasted to her friends that she broke a hairbrush and a tennis raquet on my backside when I was about 8 because I was "so naughty!" I now know she had an abusive childhood herself so that explains a lot.
Lorna
Oh Lorna! It was out the frying pan and into the fire for you! But you have done what your mother and that bullying nun didn't do - you've broken free of the cycle of abuse. You've chosen not to inflict your pain and grief onto another generation, but to stand square and to say NO MORE!
I live near a convent, and the nuns run two old people's homes, and I know the nuns do a lot of work that many people would not be prepared to do, and they do it with a smile on their faces and love in their hearts too. In one of the old people's homes they have got rabbits and guinea pigs and other animals so that the old people can have some animal friends, and they have charity fetes with stalls and games to raise money to spend on the people they look after, you can tell there is a real rapport and love between the sisters and the old people, if I were very old and not able to take care of myself I think I would not be unhappy to be there, so I really would never want to say that all nuns were bad people at all. In my town they do a lot of good. But in any institution there are people who misuse power. The trouble is, it does not take that many people to oppress the majority.
Lorna
There is no excuses for what the nuns did. In the "old days" it was tradition in most families in France, that a child should end up either a nun or a priest or brother. You can imagine that lots of them did not have much loving and caring and must have been very frustated in having to be celibate!!!I was boarding in a school run by nuns and had also a lot of harsh punishments but do not feel that I was abused as we, children, received the same punishments.
At the recommendation of readers, I've just watched the coverage of the Sean Power resignation on the CTV web site.
No surprises of course - the customary lame 'journalism'.
Quite obviously - the striking issue - the real public interest matter - arising out of this episode - is the conduct of the Data Protection Commissioner - the States of Jersey Police Force - and the Attorney General.
Those three agencies - had me raided - arrested - by a ten-strong police squad - held in windowless tiny police cell for seven and a half hours - whilst the house was turned over - from top to bottom - without a search warrant - all because I published on this blog a single official report - which I did not steal - and which was of the most profound pubic interest.
Sean Power engages in straightforward theft - that is what it is, theft - of someone else's documents - he then copies them - and leaks them to third-parties - and the documents in question were of zero public interest relevance - but yet - not so much as a single police interview?
By any credible journalistic standard THE STORY here - is the stark and brazen breakdown in the objective and impartial rule of law.
A more - frankly staggering - example of politicised and bias misapplication of the law would be virtually impossible to discover in any other western democracy.
I make a legitimate public interest disclosure - concerning an habitual rapist and serial killer who remained a registered male nurse (read my blog posting of the 19th March 2009) - and end up getting fined tens of thousands of pounds, not to mention getting jailed for ten weeks for "contempt" charges I was given less than 24 hours notice of.
Sean Power steals - simple thieves - some private and personal information - of no public interest relevance - and publishes it - but yet faces no charges.
Sean Power is a largely irrelevant con-man and spiv. By far - the monumental public interest issue that arises here - is the nakedly corrupt, politicised bias of the Data Protection Commissioner - the States of Jersey Police - and the Attorney General.
Just how much focus do we see on that, stark issue - in any of the Jersey media?
Zero.
As I said - go to my blog posting of the 19th March 2009 - read it if you want to understand just what the public interest is.
Then - once you've read that posting - reflect upon this fact: the actual evidence that shows 'nurse M' to be a rapist and serial killer - is even worse than is described in that report. I know - because my expert witness wrote several reports upon the matter.
As soon as the prosecution against me - and the judge Bridget Shaw - read the evidence of my expert witness - they suddenly decided that material was "no longer admissible".
So I wasn't able to use it in my defence.
Tell me - do you feel safe in these people's hands?
If you do - then you have the government you deserve.
Stuart
What Is A Troll?
The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.
Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).
How can troll posts be recognised?
No Imagination - Most are frighteningly obvious; sexist comments on nurses' groups, blasphemy on religious groups .. I kid you not.
Pedantic in the Extreme - Many trolls' preparation is so thorough, that while they waste time, they appear so ludicrous from the start that they elicit sympathetic mail - the danger is that once the group takes sides, the damage is done.
False Identity - Because they are cowards, trolls virtually never write over their own name, and often reveal their trolliness (and lack of imagination) in the chosen ID. As so many folk these days use false ID, this is not a strong indicator on its own!
Crossposting - Any post that is crossposted to several groups should be viewed as suspicious, particularly if unrelated or of opposing perspective. Why would someone do that?
Off-topic posting - Often genuine errors, but, if from an 'outsider' they deserve matter-of-fact response; if genuine, a brief apposite response is simply netiquette; if it's a troll post, you have denied it its reward.
Repetition of a question or statement is either a troll - or a pedant; either way, treatment as a troll is effective.
Missing The Point - Trolls rarely answer a direct question - they cannot, if asked to justify their twaddle - so they develop a fine line in missing the point.
Thick or Sad - Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls - rigged to always say "above 150"
Where are you likely to find trolls?
Wherever they are tolerated - this means forums and networking sites that have loose or lazy moderation, and places like Usenet (newsgroups) where there may be no moderation at all.
Where trolls are successful is a slightly different issue - some forums allow members to set an 'ignore' function, so they just do not see troll posts, after the first one, and some specialist forums are tightly focussed so that troll posts stick out a mile and are ignored - it's larger, more general forums that have issues, as it only takes a couple of members to be drawn in for the whole forum to suffer. They also thrive on 'opinion' sites, such as politics and religion, where feelings often run high anyway. But, again, only if moderation is weak.
Usenet has a special problem, as moderation is impossible; for trolls to be controlled, requires committed members using their killfiles effectively, and avoiding accidental cross-posting - which is all too easy with many newsreading software setups.
Some career trolls have set up their forums to exchange notes. These rarely thrive, as most trolls are not team players, and they simply fight among themselves. in other cases, they become centers for cyberbullying (see stalking); while that's a sad development, it makes it easier to have the sites closed.
Who is at risk?
Any newsgroup, bulletin board, forum or chatroom can attract trolls, but they don't have the brains to attack nuclear physicists, and they are drawn to the quick response where sex, religion and race are found; so politics is easy prey.
One troll famously tried to infiltrate a mensa group; the results read like 100 trolls and one regular, it didn't have a chance - but it was stupid enough to persist until removed.
When Should You Be Concerned?
Usually, no, though fractured funny bones and occasional waves of nausea have been reported.
When a troll become persistent and personal, you may need to consider the possibility that it has fermented into an Internet Stalker - equally pathetic, if not more so - but sometimes requiring weedkiller.
"Wherever they are tolerated - this means forums and networking sites that have loose or lazy moderation, and places like Usenet (newsgroups) where there may be no moderation at all."
Spot the Troll on
THISISJERSEY & CTV
Hi Stuart.
Just put up the Audio from today of Roger Bara interviewing Deputy Power, the Statement from our Chief Minister? & then the Statement from Deputy Power himself.
You can Listen to them Here
Stuart.
The history books will be much better informed thanks to this "exclusive" interview with Graham Power QPM
The personal emails Deputy Power took were either planted there for "The Mug" to take or he, the mug, took them without permission which is theft.
Therefore its not one or the other, its both. Which make his position as a politician untenable!?
Oh please anybody but Geoff Southern as replacement Housing Minister....
I am puzzled at the suggestion that passing on an email was worse than divulging a non convicted persons name.Its good that you released that report but I was shocked at your not editing out his name. Having said that I cant imagine that the police raided your home concerned for his well being or reputation.!There was obviously more going on behind the scenes.
Just a little nervous at posting this considering the recent postings re trolls !
Tweeting is to be allowed from hearings at the highest court in the land.
Supreme Court justices are "content" for journalists, members of the public and legal teams to use "live text based communications" to let the outside world know what is happening in the courtroom.
Guidance has been published by the Supreme Court on its practice relating to the use of tweeting and other forms of communication in the "context of ongoing public and professional debate on the issue".
The green light has been given as cases before the court do not involve interaction with witnesses or jurors, and because there is rarely any reason why what is said should not be placed immediately in the public domain.
Full story: here
Ref the report on nurse M.
I'm afraid you don't understand the purpose of the public interest disclosure.
At core - it was precisely to name him - make him - and his serious criminal activity (he had other convictions - the drug theft, for example, that made him unfit to be a nurse) - known to potential employers.
This is - after all - a rapist and serial killer. As such - it is an open and shut public interest disclosure. No newspaper would do a story based upon such evidence - and dealing with such a profoundly serious matter - and not name the individual.
I'm afraid you're completely wrong in your assessment of the difference between the two matters. What I did was legitimate, public interest disclosure, protected by the provisions in law that protect journalism. What Sean Power did was straightforward theft - and breach of data protection law - with no public interest disclosure element.
But - other than that - of course, you're absolutely correct that there 'were other things going on' - that motivated the covert surveillance, police raid, unlawful imprisonment, search without a search warrant - etc.
Those kind of things just don't happen in free democratic societies - especially against a politician and a journalist.
And especially for a non-arrestable offence.
There were several - very obvious - motivations for the illegal police activity.
We'll be exploring those during the appeal and judicial review process.
Stuart
Why isn't it a breach of the Data Protection law every time the content of the stolen email is mentioned? The very fact that it involved persons X and Y is something that the law was designed to protect against! Each time the media mentions it, or Sean Power mentions it, or it is brought up in the States, is a DP offence. The content is irrelevant - it doesn't make any difference to the extent of the crime, it's just muck spreading to say what the email was about, the public don't have a right to know what was in the private, stolen, email. Ms Martins is being incredibly selective, as usual.
The Voice for Children site has published a detailed interview with Graham Power QPM - the recently retired Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police Force. There is a link to the interview in a comment above.
I strongly urge everyone who views this site, to go to VFC and read the interview.
It is essential knowledge.
Under my previous posting, I published an independently written assessment of "the quality of local journalism". I also recommend that that posting be read again.
The undertaking of the interview with Graham Power by VFC is journalism of the highest standards.
But as Mr. Power observes in the interview, he would have given the same answers to any of the Jersey mainstream media - had any of them bothered to ask.
Read again the previous posting on this site concerning "the quality of local journalism" - and then read the VFC interview with Graham Power.
Once you have done so - you will understand - just how dramatically the torch of real journalism is being carried now by citizen media.
Stuart
Trying to find a copy of S.Power's manifesto from 2008 I dredged up these gems:
http://www.isthisjersey.com/news.php?item.29.8
http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/articles/2008/03/06/hdlg_deputy_power_feature.shtml
and... (author unknown)
http://www.creepyvalley.com/pages/page%201.htm
quote - "Deputy Sean Power is a trustworthy man of honour and integrity "
Anyone speculating that the third party that (ex)Housing Minister Power passed on the emails to might be ex-Housing Minister Tel boy? I have no inside knowledge to suport this but wasn't Tel boy close to the farce blog?
If there was a freedom of information act the evidence of nurse m could have been requested under that act,if so is that why FOI act is being refused to be made law rather than the excuse of not being able to afford it.
A couple of posts ago there was a story about gnomes being kicked out of the garden that they had been tending for years.
Some hope (vague) rested upon Terry Deeppockets personal fortune as he had a personal responsibility.
Totally unrelated to this:{ a 'non-profit organisation' has not had signed off accounts for the last four years the gnome union has found out (via FSC).'Deary deary me!'
Shirley Knott
I wonder how Tommy Sheridan is feeling - now he's into the beginning of his three years in prison for perjury?
Stuart
Oh, all this reminds me - when I have time, I still must write that detailed blog response to Emma Martins' JEP interview.
Stuart
Stuart what's going on? Two articles relating to the abuse inquiry,one, a letter from Lenny, and a comments section for both!
Stuart,sounds like you have just read the statement from E Martins in The Rag tonight: because there was no suggestion that Deputy Power was covered by parts of the Data Protection Law that offer some protection to journalists, the matter could be dealt with by an enforcement notice.
She said that if he had not accepted the notice, he could have been prosecuted.
Just be aware of the Jersey oligarchy spin on these matters.
Note how some are referring to a "Committee of Inquiry into the child abuse investigation" - not a Committee of Inquiry into the grotesque and sustained failure of governance and of all of Jersey's public administration - for decades.
And - also be aware - the "setting up of a public inquiry" - is a bog-standard step for any administration to take - when they're in big, big trouble - and thus need to be seen to be taking the matter seriously and doing something about it in the eyes of the public.
So-called "inquiries" of that type - are rarely worth the paper they're written on.
But - of course - that isn't to say that a public inquiry should not be held.
Of course - it most certainly and absolutely should.
But - and it is THE BUT - it will only be a worthwhile exercise of it fulfills certain basic conditions.
Those must be:
1: The correct - and fully enabling - terms of reference.
2: The relevant statutory powers to discover evidence and subpoena witnesses and cross-examine under oath.
3: A person - or persons - undertaking the inquiry - who have zero relationship to the Jersey oligarchy and its interests.
Any inquiry that fails to meet those a priori conditions will be worse than a failure - it will only be another level of whitewash and cover-up.
Take two recent Jersey "inquiries" to see the dangers of the oligarchy setting them up to get the result they want.
The Carswell inquiry into the Crown Officers - and the Williamson inquiry into child protection in Jersey.
Two comically inept exercises.
For example, Carswell ended up supporting - and you just couldn't make this up - supporting the current politicised, dangerous and corrupt prosecution system in Jersey.
And Williamson recived a huge quantity of hard, documented evidence that starkly demonstrated the Jersey Child Abuse Disaster - including the Bridget Shaw report - but yet produced a report of frankly staggering dishonesty.
So yes - there most certainly should be a full, properly empowered public inquiry - but - and only but - if it meets the criteria of actually doing what needs to be done.
Any step to establish such an inquiry should begin by widely consulting with those who have a stake in the matters - as to what they think its terms of reference should be.
Stuart
New call for Committee of Inquiry
Yes, Emma's statement.
Splendid, isn't it?
This is all adding - most entertainingly - to my combined appeal and judicial review application.
There's nothing like a good dose of sophistry to really get stuck into.
Stuart
Will it make any difference?
Jersey to have Police Authority
Why was there only a trickle of truth on abuse inquiry?
two articles, wow i bet the fake rico cant wait to get on there!
Kate, lee, jpmg, jamie, rico, tina. All the same Troll
Check Thisisjersey ref Harper. Here the Troll will be surpassing himself. Check it out and read carefully he is very easy to spot. He will now use different names.
Poor old Jon.
I wrote all about him in a posting titled "Jason the Maverick".
You can read it in my archive at the 20th May 2009.
When you read the web sites of mainstream media outlets like the JEP and CTV - 90% of the pro-oligarchy comments are churned out by that single, lone, inadequate clown.
It must be quite galling for him - to have provided decent people with a win-win situation?
Either Emma and Tim prosecute him - and thus do most people a big favour.
Or they don't prosecute him - and thus dig themselves even deeper on down into that hole of politicised bias they're shoveling away in!
This is fun!
Stuart
At least Senator Le Gresley is doing something!
Stuart, how's the appeal and judicial review going? You still working on the paperwork?
Yes, indeed I am.
Oh man, are they in a lot of trouble.
Stuart
I am so pleased sean power has had his bum bitten regarding this dishonesty,also can anyone verify that workers were in that part of the building at the given time? he says the E-mail was face up and therefore had been read,bullsh-t how does he know that, he is just saying this to pass the buck and make us believe that a builder could have leaked the e-mail, with respect to the builders (if there were any in the first place,) we know that the states have a habit of importing outside labour so they probably wouldn't even have know Mr Syvret or his past partner and therefore if they had read it would have had little interest in it anyway. Mr sly guy knew exactly what he was doing and was wondering how he couId use this information to best effect he is totaly responsible for the leak he should have kept his nose out in the first place,any responsible person in that situation if concerned, would have picked it up and returned it to the person involved in confidence,not copy it and e-mail it to himself,one must ask why do this when he had a copy in his hand? he said his mind was racing for a few moments he he was confused at the time,I'm not suprised this was excitement of the highest order, God help us if he has been trusted with any offical secrets, I wonder what part if any he played in condeming shenton in the shenton recording affair, I think people in St Brelade should arrange a petition to have him removed as Deputy, anyway how can he now honestly look people in the eye and expect people to have trust in him,the so called council of ministers have indicated that they no longer trust him, he would do well to resign now. I know I wouldn't approach him on any matter, I am a true Jersey Boy and as my old late DAD used to say,its like a dog once he has killed a chicken he can never be trusted so get rid of him. (statement of the month oh but I have been a good boy and have put my hand up to it what i have done on a scale of 1 to 10 is only 1,) p.s and I'm upset people have been hacking into my e-mails.
To council of ministers members Jersey.
If you find a private email brazenly flaunting itself on a printer...and you become embarrassed or confused...follow these guidelines...
Read it..scan it..send it to yourself...read it again...phone a friend...ask the builders...send it to the police...the data protection mob...
Do not send it to a friend who will use it to stitch you up if you fall out...
If you had any thoughts along the lines of shredding the email or simply returning it to the owner...much too easy...
Email email email don't you love um? That's it the email has been sent, recorded, dated and timed to the point of a pin. Too late done is done and you cant take it back or wipe it clean, said is said and it's not particularly important what's said many times and how unimportant it may seem to you or you consider it to be- Those words will bring you down. I hope all of the parasitical lecherous wizened old B----rds get what’s coming to them and the people of Jersey don’t try to bury the issue and actually deal with the many problems in a new open way and rid Jersey of these otherwise unemployable sacks of ---t who think they are somehow entitled to more than anyone else on Jersey.
An example to all of the Jersey oligarchy journalists:
"Egyptian journalist fights reporting restrictions"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12362229
It isn't too late to join the side of decency.
Stuart
That news anchor looks like she was establishment untill the establishment went too far hedged her bets and jumped off the ship of doom!
I used to think the world was flat
Rarely threw my hat into the crowd
I felt I had used up my quota of yearning
Used to look in on the children at night
In the glow of their Donald Duck light
And frighten myself with the thought of my little ones burning
But, oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
The tide is turning
Satellite buzzing through the endless night
Exclusive to moonshots and world title fights
Jesus Christ, imagine what it must be earning
Who is the strongest
Who is the best
Who holds the aces
The East
Or the West
This is the crap our children are learning
But oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
The tide is turning
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
Now the satellite's confused
'Cause on Saturday night
The airwaves were full of compassion and light
And his silicon heart
Warmed to the sight of a billion candles burning
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
The tide is turning Billy
I'm not saying that the battle is won
But on Saturday night all those kids in the sun
Wrested technology's sword from the hand of the war lords
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
The tide is turning Sylvester
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
Roger Waters
I feel nervous about praising a politician on this site...but to hell with it. Senator Le Gresley who i have viewed as even handed and level headed whenever i have heard him interviewed has raised his head above the parapet on behalf of all those who wish to see a public enquiry into Jerseys historical abuse of children, and also found the money needed to pay those highly paid professionals who will do the job. Good on him,and lets hope that other politicians respect him enough to give their support.
Certainly, the fact that one of them at least has finally moved to establish an inquiry is to be welcomed in principle.
However - as I explained in a comment above - I advise everyone to reserve judgment - until we see whether those three crucial preconditions for a meaningful inquiry are to be met; those being:
1: The correct - and fully enabling - terms of reference.
2: The relevant statutory powers to discover evidence and subpoena witnesses and cross-examine under oath.
3: A person - or persons - undertaking the inquiry - who have zero relationship to the Jersey oligarchy and its interests.
I have not yet had time to read the proposition my self - but will do so when time permits.
But, certainly, at least the matter is being advanced; something none of the fake, plastic progressives have done - for three years.
Stuart
The proposition is to ask the states to decide if they will ask the council of ministers to reconsider their decision...what a load of utter rubbish...
That does sound extraordinarily weak.
Stuart
Please dont tell me that the States members as a body cannot override a decision of the Council of Ministers.Who is running this place, 53 elected members or a small gang of bullies.
Is it just tactics, as I believe someone on behalf of Scrutiny said they may undertake an inquiry so maybe this proposal is a delaying ploy so Scrutiny will have to wait, the COM may then say they will re-consider and then after a few months of considering, they will still say no, thereby too late for any investigation to get in the way of an election. Call me a cynic!!
Yes, it does sound weak, but as weak as it is, it is at least something!
Without wishing to sound too sycophantic, if Francis Le Gresley was so concerned about survivors of abuse why did he stand against and unseat their most vocal champion in the States?
LUNATICS!
17-03 to 17-17, BBC Radio Jersey today. Have a listen.
ILM desparately trying to stop Senator Le Gresley getting a more or less free enquiry. After all the money he (LM) has wasted (of our money) rubbishing everything and everyone to do with it.
Then to make it worse, replacement for Syvert, Le Gresley, all of a sudden comes forward with this proposition....
What a nightmare for Le Marquand and the COMs!?
call it a wild stab in the dark,but i think fanny le greasley
is everybit the good company man,
with a certain charm,lacking in our glorious leader,skippy,fastbuck fready and
the prodigal heir
a possible outsider in the CM stakes?
Garenne inquiry'
oops typo
fastbuck freddy
Stuart,for F.le Gresley to try and use this money for abuse survivors is commendable.However it was shot down in flames by Senator Le Marquand pdq.He asks "What is there to enquire about?"Beam me up Scottie.Camelia.
Answer to my FOI request sent 5th Januart “Who nominated Frank Walker for an OBE>”
Letter received from Gary Rogers of the Cabinet Office February 2011 (he did not put the exact date)
“I can confirm that we hold some information relating to your request. However, the information we hold is being withheld under section 37 (1)(b) information related to the conferring by the Crown of any honour or dignity. Section 37 (1)(b) is subject to the public interest test. There is a general public interest in disclosure of information and I recognise that openness in government may increase public trust in and engagement with the government. I recognise that the honours and appointments process is one in which there is public interest. The public interest lies in the process being transparent and ensuring that the process of award of honours and dignities is clear, and that the public has confidence in the system.
It is also , however, in the public interest to maintain the integrity of the honours system. Non disclosure of information relating to individual nominations ensures that:
-those invited to offer information about a candidate (including the candidate him or herself) can do so freely and honestly, in confidence, on the understanding that their confidence will be honoured.
- decisions about honours continue to be taken on the basis of full and honest information about the person concerned.
- those who assess honours can carry out their work free from pressure for, or on behalf of, potential or actual candidates.
Having considered all the circumstances of the case, I believe the balance of public interest falls in favour of withholding the information exempt under section 37(1)(b) of the FOIA
There are some bits of that letter that I don't really understand, would appreciate some help in trying to work out what he means before I make my reply.
Also, this bit had me scratching my head:
"-those invited to offer information about a candidate (including the candidate him or herself) "
Does this mean Frank could have nominated himself?
"here are some bits of that letter that I don't really understand, would appreciate some help in trying to work out what he means before I make my reply."
It means they are working/supporting the system here as we have thought showing the battle that SS has ahead of him on way to Europe!!
Indeed, but that battle is going to be entertaining.
Very handy things, law books.
I'm nearing completion of the combined criminal appeal / human rights / judicial review application that's gong before Sir Christopher Pitchers for the week-long directions hearing that starts on the 14th March.
Oh, the Jersey oligarchy are so going to not like it.
After it's been tabled in court, I'll probably publish it here - although, be warned - it's going to be very long.
And once that's done - I can concentrate of the stand-alone action at tort against the UK Justice Secretary - to be taken in London.
The profound difficulty they face - is that I have nothing to lose - and these legal processes are going to be very, very messy.
Stuart
To Zoompad
'decisions about honours continue to be taken on the basis of full and honest information about the person concerned'
Re extract from letter from Cabinet office
If this was the case then Walker would never have been nominated for an OBE.
The people who put him forward for nomination have obviously been lying to the Cabinet Office.
It would be great if someone could get a well written petition together to urge the Cabinet Office to reconsider.I'm sure it would attract several thousand signatories.
I don't see why Walker should get away with it.What do you think?
If Sean Power broke the Data Protection Law and issues came to a head that basically forced him to resign - why did it take all this time since last August to happen? This man has been a minister for months and months in a position of trust that he plainly didn't deserve?
Any wonder why we have no faith in our government?!!
What a disgraced ex housing minister gets up to in the privacy of his own st helier bedsit is his own HOME AFFAIRS.
people have told me that walker bought his gin palace through the Guernsey agent rather the Jersey agent to avoid GST, can anyone confirm this??
"I don't see why Walker should get away with it.What do you think?"
He is not getting away with anything. I would volunteer to write that petition, but it will be better if one of you Jersey folk do so. I am going to answer that letter, it is my business if toerags like Walker are getting honours from our Queen for stamping all over the concerns of his constituents, when my own MP, who is working day and night to secure the sovereign rule of our Queen can't even get a sniff of any recognition for trying to protect all our rights and best interests. That makes me feel pretty angry. No, they are not getting away with this!
Just googled the name Mario Lundy have a go yourself and imagine yourself as a potential employer of his. His position is not tenable.
Is Mario Lundy sueing you Stuart?
the states of jersey clearly don't use google THEY DO EMPLOY MARIO LUNDY
Is Mario Lundy suing me?
Not as far is know - sadly.
It would be a great chance for several of his victims to testify in my defence.
Stuart
lundy was named in court as an abuser it was on the telly and in the paper and he's still employed by the states
It begs the question how many abusers do the states employ?
19:46:00 GMT
It really is incredible. Why do the the States of Jersey bury their head in the sand.
With the above re ML and COM not wanting a Committee of enquiry then talk of having to get through certain people first is it any wonder people are angry.
How many abusers do the States of Jersey employ?
Quite a number.
However - let no-one lose sight of the fact - which is one of the most serious issues - that the States employs a significantly greater number of people who have known of child abuse - and who have proactively - criminally - concealed it.
Still - the huge, unspoken, unacknowledged issue here - is the utter breakdown in governance - the fact that the immensely expensive 'System' - is only very good it one thing - namely closing ranks and protecting itself.
It is that fundamental rottenness that I am challenging in court.
Stuart
"Are governments closing the net around web freedom?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9386720.stm
Fascinating article about the battle for control of the web - between citizens - and the rich and powerful.
"The right to a voice online, it seems, is of paramount importance - not just in Egypt but around the world
At Campus Party in Brazil last month, Al Gore called on the public to act in preserving what he believes is a system vital for democracy.
"Defend the internet," he said.
"Do not let it be controlled by governments or by large corporations. It is a network of people."
Everyone needs to be aware of these issues.
Stuart
Stuart,
It is clear from so many comments, that Frank Walker's OBE has caused a storm of protest.
Your regular contributor Zoompad has asked a perfectly reasonable and honest question using the freedom of information laws, to name the people or organisation who offered Frank Walkers name to the cabinet office.
Gary Rogers of the Cabinet Office February 2011 has refused, saying its not in the public interest?
It must be obvious this is going to cause more heads to turn and more people to ask the same question.
If the question had been answered, then a few huffs and puffs later or even a few blog postings about the individuals, department or indeed Frank Walker himself would have dissipated interest. Will they never learn ?
Yet again, the story is far from over. Did he nominate himself, was it the Crown Officers or St. Mary's Parish hall staff ?
The question still lingers without resolve, and one of the main questions on the table now, is why are the people or organisation ( fully entitled to their own opinions ) afraid to stand up and say it was us who nominated Mr Walker.
Why are the proposes hiding ?
Furthermore has the BBC, JEP and Channel TV not also instigated freedom of information requests ? - Are - the official and professionally paid accredited Jersey media not interested in reporting public interest stories?
What is going on ?
Anonymous
As an ex member of staff at Haut de la Garenne I urge everyone to e mail f.legresley@gov.je and/or b.hill@gov.je and give them support in succeeding with this proposition. What are they trying to hide? Who are they protecting? I am in touch with some of the survivors of this system. Many,for whatever reasons, could not face going to court. They were relying on this inquiry to expose the truth. Talk about let down again, understatement of the century! GIVE THEM PUBLIC SUPPORT, PLEASE!
I mentioned above, the legal submission I'm writing as a combined appeal / human rights / judicial review application.
If I do publish it here, I'm going to have to do it in several separate postings. It's 60 pages so far - and still more work to do.
It's this application - more so than any of the others - that will strike at the toxic heart of the Jersey oligarchy. And to make sure it can go all the way - I'm backwards-structuring it - beginning with a detailed study of settled ECtHR case-law.
It's a lot of work - but should any part of the application get sidelined via the directions hearing - the appeal grounds will already be clear.
Stuart
I was only just reading the 1999 police report into nurse m on another blog which has not been edited and his name still in it. Could I ask do you know if leslie higgins is still employed at the general hospital?
Sounds as though your legal case is going to be interesting Stuart. What do you think they'll try and do and if you were them what would you do?
do you know if lelslie higgins is still working in the nursing profession stuart?
Stuart,
Don't you think that is important to find out why the new, (of 2 years) States director of human resources Ruth Davies is leaving?
Its got to be remembered that she took over from failed and incompitent Ian Crick and maybe she found that he had made too much mess for her to clear up.
Or maybe she found out that she was too honest and consciences?
This realy needs to be investigated for the sake of you and Graham Power.
But surely spilling the beans at her Exit Interview would sacrifice her Golden Hand Shake?
What do I think they'll try and do?
Pretty much the same thing as they've always done; just carry on grinding away in the hope that the person they're oppressing will give up and go away.
And in order to help the oligarchy achieve that, they'll be confident in relying upon their iron grip on Jersey's judicial processes to carry on obstructing things, and getting applications thrown out on technicalities.
However - I doubt that even the Jersey oligarchy are quite so stupid as to not recognise that they fundamentally screwed-up in the massed, illegal police raid, false-imprisonment, search without a search warrant, theft of parliamentary privileged data and jailing me on the basis of charges I'd had less then 24 hours notice of.
So knowing that - inevitably - they've got to take a hit on that - they'll have the spin-doctors already working on an 'angle' - probably along the lines of "see how wonderful Jersey justices is? Not a load of corrupt, politicised crap like Syvret said; it found for him in this case!" And they'll be resigned to buying me off with a few hundred thousand of your money.
That's what they'll be trying to do.
However - they have a very, very serious problem.
Me.
I know - just like they know - and they know that I know - and I know that they know that I know - that their corrupt, illegal use of the police force and prosecution system to repress political opposition is very, very - very - serious.
What people like the Bailhache Brothers and Ogley and Warcup did - will prove to be the pivotal moment in modern Jersey history - because it has rendered impossible the survival of "The Jersey Way" in its current form.
I know and they know - that their actions will not stack-up at Strasbourg.
So what would I do if I was in their position?
Well - not being a cretin and a gangster - and instead being a democrat, I wouldn't be in their position in the first place. But, as you ask the question - if I were them, I'd face up to the inevitable defeat - but for strategic and PR purposes - would not do so openly, but instead carry on resisting the legal challenges all the way to Strasbourg. (After all, it's only tax-payers money) That will take many years - and thus all of the crooks involved in the illegal actions - people like Bill Bailhache, Ogley, Martins etc - can have long-since taken "early retirement" or whatever.
What's the betting that that's how things go?
Stuart
Here is an interesting ditty, now that we have our 'Expanded TV' choice, how come I can watch live transmission of the English Parliment, The Commons, Welsh Parliment and others BUT I cannot view 'LIVE' coverage of my own government?. It's a silly question I know because we all know the answer would be that our dear members would be horrified to think that the whole of Jersey could see and hear what goes on in the chamber. Now I know some lacky will say "Can't possibly do that, when could we possibly broadcast it, well if it is 'LIVE'that pretty much ticks that box and if it were recorded and played back, might I suggest it could be slotted into the early morning childrens programmes, don't worry no one will know the difference.
Thought you might like this?
A YOUNG SYVRET....ISH?
Have emailed F Le Gresley and B Hill tonight. Let's get behind their campaign to get a public inquiry!
Lorna
what a complete waste of time it would be watching that lot in the bighouse on tv,it would be like watching a still picture as most of them are dead from the neck upwards anyway.
Ian
Looking at those press-cuttings - just serves to reinforce everything I think - everything I feel.
I'm so well-rid of Jersey politics.
Twenty years of trying to do what's right - trying to resist those scum - being consistently oppressed and abused - but always fighting on the side of decency - being an honest man - yet receiving nothing but hell in return.
I too could have pleased the Jersey voters - by behaving just like Plausibility Pierre - and engaged in racketeering via non-executive directorships of the banks I was supposed to be regulating - or having insisted that the Porsche I received as a grift - wasn't good enough - unless I had the matching set of brand-mark luggage too.
Or - like Reg Jeune - have taken the view that the States of Jersey was a legislature for hire - there for me to drive through legislation such as the LLP law, at the behest of my own law firm.
No doubt - had I acted in such ways - I would have secured the continuing favour of the Jersey voters - and would have recived the obligatory OBE - instead of being jailed for ten weeks - on the basis of "contempt of court" charges - that I'd had less than 24 hours notice of.
Yes - people get the government they deserve.
However - sooner or later - this time - the FACAWS are going to have to justify themselves.
Stuart
WOW!!!
"matching set of brand-mark luggage?" Jesus Christ Stuart, even I didn't think things were that bad!
Oh yes - things are that bad.
And worse.
Far, far worse.
Believe me - you couldn't make it up.
Stuart.
:)
"or having insisted that the Porsche I received as a grift"
Grift? I like that one....
Yes.
That is "grift".
Sadly - it's only funny in the way that a Samuel Beckett play - or a Tom Waits song - is funny.
Some things are just so bleak - you have to laugh at them.
Stuart
Pierre Horsfall is one of the most awful characters from Jersey's recent past. Vain, arrogant, not very bright, opinionated and greedy.
He and his type have not been architects of any great economic miracle in this island. They simply sold our culture and opened
the door to money. Then squandered it.
People like him only behave the way they do because we let them.
Hi Stuart, have met you couple of times during Jordon court case. Hope you don't mind me putting on your blog that my son has kindly set up FACEBOOK page called 'STATES OF JERSEY GO BACK ON HAUT DE LA GARENNE PROMISE ' We have posted details on it for public to e mail Deputies Le Gresley and/or Bob Hill to show support for Inquiry to go ahead. Surely if enough people e mail them it can only help?
To say that people wouldn;t remember after all these years is an insult to the survivors. These events that occurred were hardly similar to a dose of flu! Memories will haunt them all their lives!!!
"To say that people wouldn;t remember after all these years is an insult to the survivors"
The people who are spreading that propaganda are well organised bands of dirtbags who have managed to infiltrate the child protection bodies of the UK. One of them calls themselves the British False Memory Society, and our not so very good friend, the freelance journalist Richard Webster is one of the well respected members of that nasty organisation. I am quite sure you will remember Webster, Stuart.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bfms.org.uk%2F&ei=YMhPTdXeMtSKhQes4-DLDg&usg=AFQjCNHrSHcviSFxE0BZ9rV0ZB_It-v7og&sig2=XTnm243NlwbY50UtJCFGqw
That is their website. You might come accross some familiar names as you look through the site.
Management of the BFMS
Established by Trust Deed, the BFMS is a Registered Charity, No. 1040683. The Society is also registered under the Data Protection Act.
Management and Administration
Madeline Greenhalgh, Director
Sue Ryder, Administrator
Roger Scotford, Consultant
Just out of interest, is Pierre Horsfall any relation to Allan Horsfall?
Sorry for nagging about this but in order to understand how the HDLG abuse enquiry was discredited by paedophile cover uppers posing as proper journalists I hope people will take time to read this post.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fzoompad.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F01%2Frichard-webster-and-haut-de-la-garenne.html&ei=BsxPTeOhEI2JhQeX-rmCDw&usg=AFQjCNFMpbFw8Y4uThf-lE9s_7McZxNmOA&sig2=4W6NnLnk4UwTSKgPsEVDBA
Well done to the person who has posted on Facebook about the Inquiry inviting people to email Senator Le Gresley and Deputy Hill. I heard back from Bob Hill at once which is what we have come to expect from this man of integrity.
I do not do Facebook but I would urge people to email so they can get an update as I have on what is going on and to support this crucial campaign
Lorna
"He and his type have not been architects of any great economic miracle in this island. They simply sold our culture and opened
the door to money. Then squandered it."
Not squandered in there eyes it went to their pockets!!!
Anonymous wrote "Memories will haunt them all their lives!!!"
Especially if they are traumatic memories from childhood and teenage years that only make sense when you are older! The way the police knew I was telling the truth was because what I told them matched exactly with what they had heard from other witnesses and survivors.
It may have happened over 40 years ago but sometimes it feels like yesterday!
Lorna
Question2.
Vision Criteria
20/20 means you can see something at 20m that a normal person can see at 20m (the second number).
Guess what 0/10 means .
Note.Politicians are not expected to provide a complete answer within the allocated three hours.
Answer . You can't see anything at all but people with normal vision can see it at 10m.
Committee of Enquiry
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