The Administration of “Justice” in Jersey:
How it Works.
In my last, brief posting, I suggested several topics I might examine in the coming days. Three of those subjects are so closely related in their overlapping iterative causality, that I was tempted to deal with them all in one post; the three topics being -
The prosecution of two non-oligarchy members of the Jersey legislature.
Governmental reform in Jersey.
And ‘Groupthink’ as a psychological explanation for the stupidity, ignorance and folly we observe so frequently manifested by Jersey’s public administration.
But, I shall confine myself to the first of these three subjects; let us consider the prosecution of Deputies Geoff Southern and Shona Pitman.
Elections in Jersey occur in two phases; the last elections having taken place in October and November 2008.
The Jersey oligarchy has for many decades – centuries even – carefully inculcated a cultural hostility to the concept of organised politics. Indeed, so heavily propagandised are the Jersey population into believing that political parties would be the harbingers of anarchy and chaos – that even today the average Jersey voter regards political parties with suspicion.
The thinking reader will understand immediately both the motivation for, and consequences of, the anti-organised politics doctrine of the Jersey establishment.
Jersey has been a self-governing jurisdiction for over 800 years. Throughout that entire period, there has not been an occasion when the traditional ruling elites of the day did not have control over the island. Some might say that the Nazi Occupation during WWII represents the sole time when the Jersey oligarchy didn’t have control. Yes – but, frankly, even then things seemed to rub along quite nicely for the local oligarchy who remained comfortably in power before, during and after the Nazi Occupation.
As Norman Le Brocq pointed out to me - the Channel Islands being the only jurisdictions to be fully occupied by the Nazis throughout all of Europe in which the collaborative local leaders remained comfortably in power after occupation – rather than being subjected to a much-deserved purge. And I’ll mention at this point, the Guiton Group – the Jersey company that owned the island’s only newspaper, the Jersey Evening Post. The Rag spent the occupation years cheerfully and profitably churning out Nazi propaganda. The relevance of this point? Wheels within wheels. The Jersey Way. I’ll explain the connections later.
The Jersey establishment’s remarkable – and unique – capacity for survival, post-Nazis, should speak volumes to you in respect of just how entrenched our oligarchy is.
Effectively and functionally, Jersey is a de facto single-party state.
And the covert Jersey Establishment Party want to damn well make sure it stays that way. By pretending to not be a political party – and fostering the suspicion of organised politics – the island’s oligarchy are never opposed by an organised opposition.
There have, from time-to-time, been attempts to establish political parties, but such is the hostility towards such organisations by the oligarchy and its media, that the nascent parties always struggle. Nevertheless – we have one non-establishment political party presently operating in the island; the Jersey Democratic Alliance.
And to the undisguised terror of the oligarchy, they haven’t faded away. In the last elections they fielded 5 candidates – four of who were successful.
You won’t be surprised to discover that the two Deputies prosecuted are JDA members.
And if you’re familiar with what passes for ‘democracy’ in Jersey – you’ll be even less surprised to learn that the clause under which they were prosecuted was – quite extraordinarily – rushed into place – halfway through the elections - for the sole and express purpose of obstructing the JDA and other candidates who may draw on working class support.
This mind-boggling assault upon the basics of democracy was a desperate and panicked attempt at gerrymandering the Jersey elections by minimising the already very low voter turn-out in working-class areas – and obstructing efforts by non-establishment candidates to enfranchise voters by helping them register to vote.
The Jersey oligarchy thought, “We have a problem here. These JDA types are working hard to try and increase voter participation in working-class areas. Oh dear – we can’t have that! More damn proles in the chamber!! Don’t worry – we’ll simply make it a criminal offence for candidates or their team to assist voters to even apply for a postal vote. That’ll sort them out!”
The crypto-fascistic law failed in its prime objective – namely keeping working-class votes down to a sufficiently low degree to prevent pleb representatives from getting elected.
However, it fulfilled its secondary function in enabling the Stalinist show-trial of two JDA Deputies – and the consequent peddling of lies and propaganda against them to the effect that they had, somehow, engaged in ballot fraud.
The “offence” committed by the two Deputies was, in fact, to assist people in their district to apply for a postal vote. Just that.
Nothing to do with actual ballots – just enabling the elderly, the infirm, over-worked parents, and those who don’t have English as a first language – to apply to be able to cast their vote by post.
Voter turn-out in Jersey is extremely low – especially in the densely populated working-class areas. It is these districts which also have the highest densities of elderly, the infirm, those whose work demands make it difficult for them to go to a polling station and those who are not native English speakers.
The Jersey oligarchy frequently pays lip-service to the need to increase voter participation. But yet – when it comes to people making an effort to enable the otherwise disenfranchised to vote – suddenly it’s a terrible menace.
‘Yes’, say the Jersey establishment, ‘we want more people to vote – but they’ve got to be the ‘right kind’ of people – not these dreadful stroppy oiks – who might want the rich in Jersey to start shouldering a proportionate part of the tax burden.’
So – the Jersey oligarchy – in all its shameless ignorance, arrogance and inadequacy – rushed in – half-way through the elections – a law so brazenly anti-democratic as to have no known equivalent in any Commonwealth country.
And – it is not as though the madness stopped there.
It is widely known that at least four other candidates faced prima facie allegations of having broken the Elections Law, and at least two of these involved the same “offence” as that for which the two JDA Deputies were prosecuted.
How many of those four were charged?
None.
Of the six candidates known to have credible allegations against them of breaking the Elections Law – only the two JDA members were prosecuted.
And – you’ll like this – the cops and Bill Bailhache even tried to stick the offences of one of these four others onto the rap-sheet against Deputy Southern. How’s that for the “rule of law”!
Shall we just remind ourselves of who runs Jersey’s prosecution service?
The Attorney General, William Bailhache.
The self-same oligarchy lynch-pin – who is terribly fond of bellowing “every one is equal before the law!” – but then goes on to rather spoil his case by only applying the law against uppity plebs – like the JDA members in the case of the Election Law, or me, in the case of alleged breaches of the Data Protection law.
We – it seems – must bear the full weight of Bill Bailhache’s – in-no-way-Political – decisions on prosecutions.
Meanwhile oligarchy politicians can routinely breach data protection laws, the election laws – and even take kick-backs for supporting land development proposals – with, apparent, immunity from the law.
And as for child abusers – forget it! Extradite child abusers from France back to Jersey? No chance – “not in the public interest”.
Child rapists now living in England? “Oh dear – we just couldn’t have them returned here and face trial – just think of all the bad publicity!”
No – instead, the law in all its Majesty in Jersey prefers only to prosecute these two non-establishment, working class candidates – and fine them the, frankly, insane sum of a total of £12,000.
That’s £12,000 – for doing things such as provide welcome assistance to a British ex-serviceman who would not otherwise have been able to vote.
The gentleman in question even wrote a statement to the court in mitigation for the accused Deputies – which I reproduce here, with his name removed.
“18th May 2009
To Whom It May Concern:
I, [name excised] would like to make the following statement in support of Deputy Shona Pitman’s court case, regarding her breach of the public Elections law.
I can confirm, as I did reluctantly with the Police, that Deputy Shona Pitman visited my home on the 2nd of November last year during the Deputies elections. Upon opening the door to the Deputy, I told her that I could not vote because I was going to be away on Election Day. She replied saying that I could vote by post and handed me an application form to fill in so that I could do this. However, I explained that I have restricted use of the hand that I write with and asked if she would fill it in for me. So the Deputy did so, and when she’d finished she went through the form with me to check everything was OK and I signed it.
The problem with my hand is that it has trapped nerves so I have great difficulty in writing with it. I was very grateful that Deputy Shona Pitman filled in the form, as firstly, I wouldn’t have known that I could vote by post and therefore wouldn’t have voted. Secondly, I don’t know that I would have been able to get someone else to fill the form in because I live by myself, and my family live in the UK and America and I did not know that I could go to the Parish hall to ask someone for assistance.
I was not happy to give a Police statement and felt that the Police questioning, over 3 interviews at my house were intrusive and a bit forceful at times. When I explained to them that I had difficulty writing because of the trapped nerves in my hand and how this happened, they asked me whether or not I could write with the other hand. They seemed to disregard what I had just said and it was none of their business!
Deputy Pitman did not coerce me in filling in the form or in voting for her or any of her colleagues. Had she put pressure on me in anyway, I would not be supporting her court case now. In fact, I was happy to see that she had bothered once again, to take the time to visit me during the elections as other than JDA candidates no other candidate visited me.
As an ex-Honorary Policeman and a veteran Green Jacket with the Special Forces who served my country for 9 years, I can not understand the injustice that the Deputy and her colleague Geoff Southern are being treated with in being taken to court. All she did was to assist somebody who needed some help and if it wasn’t for her, I wouldn’t have known that I could exercise my right to vote and wouldn’t have done it at all. Surely this is a good thing.
Yours truly, [name excised]”
A British ex-serviceman – with a disability – being subjected to three intrusive, aggressive and intimidating police visits - because a candidate helped him to apply for a postal ballot – so he could exercise his democratic right to vote.
You couldn’t make it up.
The average person might imagine that out of sheer embarrassment and shame, the court would have administered some symbolic sentence on the two Deputies – taking into account the extremely powerful mitigation.
For example, the fact that both Deputies immediately pleaded guilty to the offences.
Or that the law in question was manifestly absurd and unworkable.
Or that, as is plain from the record of the debate, the States Assembly didn’t actually have a clue what it was doing.
Or that the law was defective – and rushed into place halfway through the election period.
Or that the law is plainly wholly incompatible with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights.
But, no.
Instead – fines totalling £12,000 were imposed on the two working class Deputies.
The vast majority of thinking, decent people will be appalled at such excesses.
I – however – was not surprised.
When I heard that one Advocate Julian Clyde-Smith was presiding over the case, as a Commissioner of the Royal Court, I knew exactly what to expect.
He is a production-line, identikit Jersey oligarch; ultra-conservative and as Right-wing as hell.
Indeed – so perfectly does he fit the template, the oligarchy have no-doubt got him lined-up to replace Bill and Phil in due course.
I have personal understanding of Advocate Clyde-Smith’s attitude to administering “appropriate” sentences to troublesome plebs.
He sentenced a 19 year-old constituent of mine to three years in jail for dealing ecstasy.
The boy was a victim of institutionalised abuse carried out against him over a sustained period by the States of Jersey.
This included keeping him locked-up in solitary confinement – at the age of 14 – for two months.
I’ll just state that again.
Solitary confinement – for two months.
Unsurprisingly, one month into this unlawful and abusive imprisonment, he had an emotional breakdown. The response of the States of Jersey was to send a councillor from the local Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service to ‘speak with him’ – for half-an-hour – once a week.
But, naturally, they still kept him in solitary for another month.
So – following a frankly contemptibly inadequate mitigation pleading from another Jersey Advocate – and the rabid judgment of Julian Clyde-Smith – this child – messed-up by the States of Jersey – got three years.
That case stands out in my mind because of the truly remarkable contrast with another sentencing carried out by Clyde-Smith two weeks later.
A “prominent local businessman” – who was guilty of conspiracy to import a yacht load of cocaine – was sentenced by Clyde-Smith to – wait for it - 270 hours ‘community service’.
Next time you hear the Jersey oligarchy, or their supporters, claim that “everyone is equal before the law”, or that the administration of justice in Jersey works perfectly well – just laugh in their faces.
Don’t let yourselves be taken for fools.
I mentioned earlier the remarkable resilience exhibited by the oligarchies of the Channel Islands – uniquely in occupied Europe - to any consequences or meaningful reform for the shabby conduct of the ruling elites under occupation. And how the Guiton Group, and its ‘newspaper’, the Jersey Evening Post, had carried on churning out Nazi propaganda during the war.
The various scions of the Guiton Group have ended up fabulously wealthy.
People like Frank Harrison Walker – former Chief Minister of Jersey.
And one Sally Le Brocq – nee Harrison – presently 1 of the 12 ‘Jurats’ of Jersey’s Royal Court. Jurats being a form of lay-judge – placed in Office by an electoral college of Jersey lawyers and politicians.
Jersey’s lawyers and politicians – doesn’t that just sound like a recipe for producing a balanced and objective judicial apparatus?
So when Advocate Clyde-Smith – adorned in the faintly comical fancy dress they like to wear to make an ‘impression’ on us plebs – entered the Royal Court to cast down damnation on the two Deputies – he was accompanied by two Jurats.
You know where this is going – don’t you?
Yep – one of the two Jurats was Sally – nee Harrison – Le Brocq. Cousin of Frank Walker – and multi-millionaire scion of the Guiton Group.
Not satisfied with this, frankly, laughable excuse for a judicial process – Clyde-Smith further trampled into the ground the principles of natural justice by constantly and repeatedly interrupting the lawyer who was making a mitigation plea on behalf of the two Deputies – thus ruining the presentation of their case.
“Yes, yes, but they broke the law!” he kept bellowing. An observation which would, perhaps, have been faintly credible – if the law in Jersey was actually applied fairly and impartially – as opposed to being used as a tool to keep the proles in-line.
But some people will take an unforgiving view of law-breaking. They will argue that the laws of the day should be obeyed – especially by politicians – as they make the laws.
Such a view does not withstand scrutiny when contrasted with the history of social change.
Many, many political leaders and reformers and ordinary members of the public have ignored ridiculous legislation. Think of the civil disobedience of the suffragettes – who frequently broke laws in their fight for the rights of women to vote.
Or those who fought against slavery.
What of Nelson Mandela – a great man who broke the laws of South-Africa because those laws were monstrous and disgraceful.
Or Rosa Parks – whose ‘criminal’ action in sitting in the “whites-only” part of the bus did so much to galvanise the civil rights movement in the USA.
The plain fact is that there is a fine and noble tradition of breaking manifestly absurd and unjust laws in acts of non-violent civil disobedience.
Consider the struggles of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King – both men who confronted the laws of the day – ridiculous, contemptible and absurd laws – and stood against them – because the laws were wrong – and the cause of these men had truth and decency on its side.
Just as enabling the poor and disenfranchised to be able to vote is the right and decent thing to do.
I do not know what, if any, further resistance will be undertaken by the two JDA members. All I can do is place myself in their position – which isn’t a fair thing to do, as they, quite rightly, must make their decisions themselves.
But, had it been me charged with these offences, I would, most certainly, appeal the sentence – and take it through the judicial Committee of the Privy Council all the way to Strasbourg if necessary; and I would undertake this resistance in parallel with some of my voters who would have been disenfranchised had I not helped them to apply for a postal vote.
And, at this stage of my career – I wouldn’t pay the fine in any event – and would take the jail sentence.
Just as I will if convicted of any alleged data protection law infractions. As I recently remarked in a comment – frankly, a couple of years in La Moye nick would provide me with ample time to write my memoirs – in addition to the added advantages of being debarred from being a politician – and being able to spend the next couple of years in the company of far fewer liars and crooks than my present occupation requires.
Stuart.
Wednesday, 27 May 2009
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 257 Newer› Newest»and where is all this leading to Stuart
Stuart
My Letter to the BBC editorial complaints department.
Dear Sirs
Complaint about BBC Jersey
I’m somewhat surprised to discover that my complaint to the BBC that initially was handled by email has suddenly changed to requiring a letter. Is this to try to discourage appeals to initial decisions I wonder?
Well sorry but I feel this matter is of such importance that I must persist.
My complaint is about the behaviour of BBC Jersey, in particular Radio Jersey towards one of our senior politicians, Senator Stuart Syvret. I have copied the content of my original complaint to the BBC, Senator Syvret’s response, the comment of another Jersey resident about the same issue lodged on Senator Syvret’s blogsite and the responses from the BBC complaints officer David Larner so that you can follow the trail.
My original complaint was about BBC Jersey talkback programme on Sunday 26 April 2009
(inserted emails trails previously posted on this site including VFC response from the same Mr Larner who had the complaints 'escalated' to him)
I still remain dissatisfied with the response from the BBC, there is no evidence that my original concerns were rigorously investigated, and on the contrary there is evidence that my concerns are not isolated.
I therefore would like you to look into the editorial bias on BBC Jersey. The two programmes I quote are not isolated cases. The morning and early evening news programmes and the phone in regularly present the establishment view with some callers (including the infamous Bridget) given an inordinate amount of air time compared to Senator Syvret (who is after all an elected politician) and those who share his views.
My understanding of the Sunday Talkback programme is that its purpose is to allow politicians and other Jersey ‘worthies’ an opportunity to talk to islanders and answer questions posed by the electorate. Senator Syvret has not been invited to participate in this programme since before the last elections in November, despite him being the longest serving politician in the States.
I would be grateful if you could respond to me by email as this is my preferred method of communication
What a bizarre law. In democracies it is not unusual to see public service awards enthusiastically presented to those who assist the elderly and the disabled in the voter registration proccess.
During the next Jersey pre-election phase, why not invite volunteers from within Jersey or if needed, from abroad, to participate in a real voter registration drive?
Of course, to anyone off island it is clear that it should be legal for the candidates to also help with the postal vote applications, but it should not be so necessary and perhaps that is the other problem in Jersey.
What is both hilarious and sad is the idea that it is considered fraud. So, some pensioners just might be so gratefully loyal to the one candidate who ever cared enough about their voting rights to help them fill out applications forms, and that possibly swayed these pensioners from voting for another candidate which cares absolutely nothing for their vote?
Oh, my. What criminals.
I still cannot get my head around "What is wrong in helping someone fill out an application for a postal vote."
I really think they should indeed take this further. It would seem if you are elderly, infirm, or have difficulties in making your way to the polling booth you are not allowed to get anyone to help you to apply for your right to vote. Surely everyone has a democratic right to vote be it postal or otherwise. Provided the candidate concerned did not complete the voting list and post it for the voter what the heck is the problem.
Stuart,
Regardless of this, those deputies knew that their actions were in breach of the law, yet they proceeded to continue with their actions. Many of our laws may be obstructive and useless but within a civilised society we must respect and adhere to these laws regardless of whether we agree with them or not. Take for instance speed limits, I know that the avenue is a 40mph zone and adhere to this although I feel I could drive safely at 50mph. If I choose to drive at 50mph and get caught then I like the two JDA members would deserve to get charged for breaking the relevant law.
Simply put the law is the law and everybody must abide by it including politicians. I for one am glad that these two politicians have been charged for their offences, as I would be if I were to break the law. I would have hoped that you would recognise this for what it really is: equal treatment within society.
Stuart - The only people that will win on appeal is those in Hill Street - the deputies in question are jsu 'normal people' who cannot afford to challenge the sentence. The law in question is an ass and the case was not about the law being broken it was purely an exercise in shaming, the deputies and the JDA and an atempt to blemish the image of the JDA. Being an optinist I consider that the case will be a vote winner and I hope they field a record number of candidates in any forthcoming elections. They must make political capital out of this situation.............the law must also be overturned. There is more than one way to crack a nut!
Jersey FOCUS on mental health
Our Chairman : Julian Clyde-Smith
Jersey FOCUS on mental health is a charity devoted to the aims of promoting good mental health...
http://www.jerseyfocus.com/section/2/index.html
Heaven forbid that the Jersey electorate be encouraged to become politically engaged.....OH no ......the peasants must be kept in check..............long live teh paternalistic society A!
Data Protection: A followup comment.
Giving out personal IP information to others, along with e-mail addresses.
That would contravene Data Protection with thr proviso that such information was not in the public domain or readily available in the public domain.
As an example. There is a website is at www.iangorst.com and putting this in a Who Is search at:
http://www.whois.net/whois/iangorst.com
will give you his name, address and an contact email and phone number for the domain. There is a proviso that the user should not "allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission by e-mail,
telephone, or facsimile of mass, unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than the data recipient's own existing customers"; so you'd be breaking the Data Protection Law if you "processed the data" (a key term) for mass mailshots of junk mail (for example)
Likewise, if an online phone directory can yield name and address and personal phone number information, that is public domain.
A “prominent local businessman” – who was guilty of conspiracy to import a yacht load of cocaine – was sentenced by Clyde-Smith to – wait for it - 270 hours ‘community service’.Who was it then? Presumably their name was not concealed?
I am truly sick of those mindless conformist clones in Jersey who chant "the law is the law" without apparently realising that this is only a fair and good and noble thing to believe if the laws themselves are similarly good and fair and noble and applied to all in a similar way.
The people voluntarily give the Law its majesty and its power over them and lend that power to the legislators and administrators and enforcers only as long as those legislators and administrators and enforcers do a good and fair and noble job to back up the generally accepted ethical principles that the law should be based upon.
When the Law is sometimes used to bolster a certain class of people or to protect institutions or highly placed individuals then the system is rotten and no longer has any validity and the people should think of taking back the power that they lent the law and its employees and purge the system.
Merely complying with whatever law someone in authority comes up with, regardless of whether it is good, fair etc AND supporting passively or actively the witch hunting of those who break or ignore or bend any dubious or poorly written law for ethical reasons, one of which is to change the law in contention toward that which it should have been in the first place, is verging on evil and is certainly almost "good men doing nothing so that evil flourishes" - except the chanting conformists are not good people - they think they are but they are just rotten "Jersey Way'ers". Is it November the 5th yet?
Shouldn't elected officials have a responsibility to locate and assist any constituents who need help in filling out the application for a postal vote? Just sounds like decent representation of the electorate to me.
Leigh
Doesn't sound like the Nazis's left the Island! My heart bleeds for all the decent people of Jersey who have to live under this Fascist regime it beggers belief!
How can this beautiful Island continue to be run is such a manner?
The sinister thing is that the UK is increasingly being run in the same way! The 'right' people are protected by the police and other 'authorities' when they commit crimes, some quite henious and disgusting and the rest of us are treated like dangerous criminals if we sneeze on the wrong day! Its beyond a joke.
".... I did not know that I could go to the Parish hall to ask someone for assistance."
All Dep Pitman had to do was to tell the gentleman he could apply to the Parish Hall for a sick vote on the day, and it was sorted legally. But no, she deliberately broke the law instead. It's worth a £2,000 fine for the combination of downright arrogance and stupidity.
"...and even take kick-backs for supporting land development proposals – with, apparent, immunity from the law."
Evidence please Stuart. As you always say, if it's true, it can't be libel.
"The Rag spent the occupation years cheerfully and profitably churning out Nazi propaganda"
Please illustrate this with evidence. "Before and after" accounts would serve niceley. You've been asked for this before, but you haven't delivered (or even posted the request for that matter).
Stuart dont say that, they are probably thinking up some way of fineing you now, to get you out of the States.
Excellent post Stuart regarding a ridiculous law, and an even more ludicrous outcome for Deputies Southern and Pitman.
Thank goodness you have clarified for those who did not quite grasp exactly what the two Deputy's were guilty of (including Meridian in the JEP!). I think a lot of people were under the misapprehension that they had actually encouraged the people they helped and colluded with them to cast their vote in the direction of the JDA, which is far removed from the truth.
Yes, they did break the law, but pleaded guilty and paid a very high price for DEMOCRACY.
Bring on party politics! The (non existent) Establishment must surely be aware that the tide is slowly turning.
This was an unfair trial and should be appealed, but at a minimum of £400 per hour its no wonder that justice in Jersey is for the rich only.
Given the southern pleaded guilty to this stupid law and helped the police with their enquires and then be fined the maximum allowed just goes to show...
There is no justice in Jersey... end of.
Sorry, back again. I have just posted the following on the JEP comments article regarding Clyde-Smith's sentencing of the gang of 'animals'. Whether it gets printed or not I don't know, but it beggars the question in regard to Mario Lundy, himself facing allegations of abuse, and allegedly being investigated, how can he be responsible for following through the Child Protection report on these issues at this moment in time?
'Well, well Commissioner Clyde-Smith you hand out maximum fines to two Deputies who broke and admitted to breaking a ridiculous law for helping infirm, elderly and housebound people apply for postal votes then go on to let off lightly a gang of teenage thugs who violently attack a man in the streets of St Helier!!
This has only confirmed my belief that the law is certainly an ass.
Furthermore, in Tuesday's paper we have a report of not one, but two teacher's investigated for assault and other charges. Voice for Children has a point - if children learn by example it is not only the parents they learn from but those charged with their Education, a Department which seems to need an in depth 'looking at' to allay parent's concerns about this type of behaviour.'
Hi Stuart,
Great post!
I put a video one on my blog yesterday about this.
http://lcorby.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/207/
I got a comment on it saying S & P should resign, so I replied and gave them a link to your blog entry this morning.
Keep up the good work, one day the truth will win.
A commenter above says that “regardless of this, those Deputies knew that their actions were in breach of the law.”
Indeed they did – as both made it clear at the time of the States debate that they would break the law as a matter of principle - in an act of civil disobedience.
Essentially, the commenters line appears to be ‘the law is the is the law….etc.’
This comment, and similar views, wilfully ignore the historic evidence for social change and the improvement of society.
As explained in the post, many, many great political leaders and ordinary citizens have openly and knowingly defied laws – when they knew those laws to be moronic, discriminatory, unjust, politically motivated and generally absurd. For example – a number of very brave and highly principled Jersey people broke the law during the Nazi occupation by hiding escaped slave workers and local Jews.
Do you think they shouldn’t have done that – because they were breaking the law?
The commenter really goes off into the realm of fairy-tale land when they assert that what happened to the two deputies was “equal treatment within society”.
That is a strong contender for the funniest assertion I’ve heard in connection with this episode.
As is very well-evidenced – and I refer to some relevant examples in the post – the way in which the Jersey oligarchy operate and enforce their laws is – most definitely – not “equal treatment”.
The oligarchy enforce laws and other kinds of rules in ways which are so biased, corrupted and politicised as to be beyond parody.
The law in question was introduced precisely to be biased, obstructive and discriminatory – in a way that was expressly targeted at working-class and poor potential voters. Another commenter writes that all Deputy Pitman had to do was advise her constituent that he could apply for a postal vote himself.
I have to ask whether the commenter has actually read the post?
The man in question – like many, many others – was not able to make such an application himself. He cannot write because of his disabled hand, and he, like others, may not have been able to go to a Parish hall personally. I know disabled people who couldn’t contemplate making a journey of that nature – especially when their right to vote could so very easily be secured for them with the assistance of candidates or their team – who are, let’s face it, the only people pro-actively engaging with the electorate.
Forcing people into undertaking the task of applying in person is simply a monstrous obstruction placed in the path of their ability to vote – and is a clear breach of their human rights.
In introducing this law – in the manner it was introduced – for the obviously biased purposes of the law – and fining two working-class Deputies £12,000 – the Jersey oligarchy has simply revealed yet further to the real world just what a load of Mickey Mouse, toy-town shysters they are.
Stuart
hi stuart
there is nothing bizarre about this law ,it is designed to control how many vote.the questions should be
1(why was there no info to all households how and where they could vote
2(info on posal vote
3(how people who are disable or eldery can ask for help
4(why was there no info in hospitals or care home for those people to vote
but make a lady to go court after she said she was unable to write because of disablity is wrong anduntil people in this island wake up to what is really happening nothing will change
Rose
Sorry Stuart.
Drug peddlers are scum.
I was violenty abused, however I lead a normal life.
Abuse is no defence
I'm asked above for evidence of the kick-back corruption.
Much of that evidence has been furnished to the police already.
And, it is my understanding that a good deal of further evidence is available from third-parties.
Fascinatingly - the cop in charge of that investigation - Dave Minty - simply ignored the substantive complaint - and even failed to take a detailed statement or seek a sworn affidavit from one of the key witnesses.
Indeed - about the only thing he did do was alert the Bailhache Brothers to the existence of the complaint - both of whom, in various ways, set about oppressing the enquiry.
When further pressed, Dave Minty wrote a comical missive in which he said words to the effect that he "couldn't see that a criminal offence had been committed."
Dave - and anyone else interested - should check-out Articles 45 and 46 of the States of Jersey law.
The activities complained of are stone-cold criminal acts.
Unambiguosly so.
Fascinatingly - it was Dave Minty who was "placed" in charge of the unlawful raid and 'fishing expedition' search of my home.
Where - strangely enough - some of the evidence for the corruption was stored.
The relevant file box had plainly been opened, interfered with and, no doubt, copied.
I wonder if Weirdcop approves of (a) Minty's gross conflict of interest, in being involved in the raid - doing his bit for his mates, in Good Old Jersey Boy fashion, and, (b) approves of Minty writing complete lies to people to the effect that "no law has been broken"?
We have to assume so, don't we.
As for the Jersey Evening Post - one need only look at the historical evidence.
Rather than destroying their presses - they carried on business as usual throughout the Nazi occupation. During this period they printed Nazi propaganda, Nazi public notices - and carried on taking adverting from local businesses.
To have survived this era so strongly and powerfully as they did, The Rag must have - (a) made a healthy profit, or, (b) taken direct subsidies from the Nazis.
It isn't a difficult piece of deduction.
Stuart
Sorry to digress a little from your chosen topic Sen Syvret but...
What the mentally ill require is urgent help. No matter what they say on their FOCUS website THE STATES ARE NOT DELIVERING IT!
Why not?
A few years ago Focus was known under a different title and then they were not run by the STATES they did deliver.
The Charity under its old name did have a number of VERY NICE properties didn't they, so it was worth taking over.
We are at the mercy of the strange concoction POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and the HUMAN RIGHTS law, where a mentally ill patient can appeal against being sectioned and if they win that appeal they are free to go out into society and cause mahem.
I am sorry if I sound as though I am scare mongering but some people ACTUALLY DO need protecting from themselves and on those occasions the general public may be in danger.
I hope the powers that be can live with their conscience if such a person, so afflicted, is allowed out into society and causes injury or harm to anyone.
The mentally ill person also would be mortified, when able to reason again, once the medication had kicked back in, to find that they had not been protected at the time they needed that protection most.
I know some may think this is a contradiction in terms but many mentally ill people are extremely clever. They may within minutes change from a fairly lucid person talking perfectly commonsense then sound like a babbling wreck the next minute.
Some are skillful at hiding their illness, even from a health professional. It is one of the hardest things a person willing to help an afflicted person can have to deal with, especially if there is aggression involved.
I praise the ground workers, the nurses they do a very good job but I suspect they have so many cases to handle in this island at the moment that they can only do so much from the frontline.
All the above is very sad and the saddest thing of all is that it has to be written within an island that considers itself to be generous and charitable.
No doubt Truth Will Out...eventually!
Drug Peddlers.
In the post I was not defending drug-dealing - which is obviously an unacceptable activity.
The point was the contrast in sentences.
3 years for dealing ecstasy - for a boy with very powerful mitigation on his side.
And 270 hours Community Service for a "Prominent Local Businessman" - who was conspiring to import an utterly vast load of the far more dangerous drug, cocaine.
If it was right that the boy got 3 years - the Jersey establishment charter should have got 8 years.
But he didn't - because what passes for the administration of justice in Jersey is cess-pit of incompetence, politicisation and corruption.
Stuart
Stuart
Who was this businessman that you refer to with regard to importing cocaine? Are there any press articles on the case?
I'm from Guernsey and I have to say that although our States and judicial system are far from ideal, they appear to be considerably better than Jersey's. Some of the articles that you write contain details that are quite frankly disgusting if they are factual, which I trust they are.
The people of Jersey must be incredibly apathetic to put up with the hideous people who run the island.
Yes, the coke importer's name is a matter of public record as it was reported in the media.
I don't actually remember it off the top of my head, and would have to go and dig out the relevant archive.
But I'm pretty certain some of our readers will recall the name.
Perhaps they could remind us?
Stuart
The businessman was Bruce Gallichan.
The importation was of 268 grams of cocaine with Jersey street value of £20-22,000. Smuggled in an ornamental frame.
Nowhere near a yacht load, but still a substantial amount.
The court treated him exceptionally because:
1. He had a clean record,
pleaded guilty (on the eve of his trial)
2. he played a lesser and more passive role,
3. "not only did he make a statement to the police giving them information about the role played by McCann, but he had the undoubted courage, in the face of threats, to give evidence at the trial and this in open Court"
Thanks for the information concerning Bruce Gallichan.
Yes - the mitigation - taken so seriously by the court in his case - was also a remarkable contrast with the 19 year-old.
The fact is Gallichan steadfastly denied the charges and and pleaded not-guilty - right up to the evening of the trial.
The oligarchy then struck some kind of plea-bargain with him - whereby they'd, basically, let him off - which is, essentially what they did - in exchange for evidence against his co-conspirators.
Throughout the investigation, up until that point, Gallichan had denied the charges - and probably would have continued to do so had the oligarchy not offered him a 'get out of jail free card'.
The 19 year old - by way of contrast - immedietaly confessed at the time of his arrest - and fully and effusively cooperated with the police from the very out-set.
It was even accepted by the Crown that he had effectively "written his own indictment".
Yet - being merely a pleb, with no powerful connections - and a comically inadequate "legal aid" lawyer - he gets three years.
And Gallichan, for conspiracy to import cocaine - which he flatly denied up until the eve of the trial - get's a slap on the wrist with a piece of wet lettuce.
It's a bloody farce.
Stuart
Jersey business men, or anyone others, who plead guilty or who are proved to be guilty of assisting in the importation of cocaine or any drug are the lowest of the lowlife.
They deal in destruction and ultimately the possible death of a fellow human being FOR GREED!
One has to be extremely careful of the company one keeps. That applies to all walks of life.
No matter what mitigating circumstances applied the sentence certainly appears to be extremely lenient, in my humble opinion in comparison to the sentence the 19year old youth had passed upon him.
Jersey is appearing more and more from the surface like a lily pond.
Such beautifuly flowers pond lillies but go down into the murky waters that feed it and you would be surprised at the extra-ordinary amount of muck beneath that feeds it. A good analogy or not?
Truth Will Out
May I suggest to those who believe in obeying the law at all costs that they read the essay written by Henry David Thoreau in 1849 entitled Civil Disobedience.
Thoreau was prepared to break the law and indeed went to jail for failing to pay tax to a government which supported slavery.
His essay was a great influence on both Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
Thoreau was incidentally descended from the Jersey family of the same name.
It is a pity those in power do not
follow the precedents set by this originaire of Jersey
Jersey and the equality of Law!
Theres something wrong here Stuart?
Jersey and Law and Equality all in the one sentence? Iam not quite sure what it is though? Ha. I will however give some scenarios later and let your readers make up their own minds. If they try to cover up child abuse and dear knows what else, hey whats wrong with a bit of corruption , fraud, deception, tax dodging and most likely dogging as well, obstruction and perverting the course of justice Although I dont know how you can pervert it when there is no Justice in the first place? etc.
Until Later!
Third man charged in connection with cocaine seizure
Carpenter guilty in cocaine case
I would put money on it that Gallichan's community service was 'comfortable'.
I'd wager that he wasn't put on a work gang on the cliff paths!
Do you really think Gallichan got off lightly?
He has to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life.
I spoke to a friend of mine the other day who was one of your initial supporters. In conversation I happened to mention about Deputies Pitman and Southern in relation to the Electoral law - his response was "They broke the law!".
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to explain to pseudo-oligarchy supporters why their arguments don't hold - what years of propaganda can do, one man can't counter I suppose!
It's interesting you should mention the war-time JEP. Recently during a clear-out I happened to find the front page of a JEP dated June 6th 1944.
If I can reproduce a little extract:
Proclamation To the Population of the Isle of Jersey
Germany's enemy is on the point of attacking French soil.
I expect the population of Jersey to keep its head, to remain calm, and to refrain from any acts of sabotage and from hostile acts against the German Forces, even if the fighting spread to Jersey.
At the first signs of unrest or trouble, I will close the streets to every traffic and will secure hostages.
Attacks against the German Forces will be punishable by death.
- Der Kommandant der Festung Jersey
(Signed) Heine
Of course this isn't much in the way of propaganda, but it serves to strike fear into the population, and thus is a form of collaboration with the German Forces.
However one must consider what might have happened if they had refused to collaborate and what action may have been taken.
I noticed that someone mentioned evidence of such propaganda from the JEP. Most of the propaganda from that era I have seen, lies within the manipulation of facts and figures. Such as increasing the the figures of the amount of people who had died in a battle to deliberately lower morale.
It's not evidence per se, but I shall try and dig out some more for reproduction illustrating what I mean.
Ryan M
"Do you really think Gallichan got off lightly?
He has to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life."
Confession of only a 'bit-part' in the crime is no defence at all.
'Bit-part' or not it was at the point that he decided to take part in the crime that he made his choice.
Therefore, he should be prepared to take any consequences of that crime he committed by the law, society and any partners in crime he grassed on.
I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He put his fellow man at risk and in danger by his actions.
Truth Will Out
"Do you really think Gallichan got off lightly?"
Yes. His community service may have even been licking envelopes for Focus on Mental Health mailshots....
"He has to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life."
Look up the word 'consequence'.
All three men chose to involve themselves in the importation of a drug. The consequence of that is that they were arrested and convicted.
McCann and Gocoul will also have to live with the consequences of their actions - finding work, travel, explaining to their children etc. I have no sympathy for them.
Equally, Gallichan has to live with the consequence of the action he took. To give evidence against the other two. He decided that this was the best option for him to take. He didn't have to do it, he could have simply pleaded guilty and taken a lesser sentence.
He took that option and now has to deal with the consequences. I have no sympathy for him.
If you chose to get involved in such criminal activity you must expect to come across unsavory characters. If they later threaten you then that is a consequence of getting involved in the first place.
The lesson here children is not to get involved with drug dealers. It's a nasty world.
WOW! Graham Prouse (retired civil servant) blows the lid off Jersey cooking the books over decades to defraud their "friends at Whitehall".
Mr Prouse is somewhat brave to say what he has done now but remember he appears to have said or done nothing at the time to blow the whistle.
Are any of our current civil servants covering up stuff now for the sake of their jobs and pensions? Why are Jersey residents simultaneously so cowardly yet also pettily corrupt?
FRONT PAGE STORY
page one of todays JEPpage two of todays JEP
Stu / anyone
What was the result of the SHELL trial? is it still on going??
Stuart, what was your source for the news? Doesn't seem to be a very popular story.
Should we all sell RDSA??
Shell oil company and their complicity on the murder of the Ogoni 8.
My understanding is that though the case was due to start yesterday, it's been adjourned for a week.
Stuart
JEP front page.... Ex Civil Servant suddenly gets brave and reveals the truth behind the reciprocal agreement debacle.
Just one more example of how Civil Servants can speak whilst there noses are so deep in the troth...
The recently retired ambulance chief slagged Jersey off for our lack of emergency preparedness - did he mention this before he left with his huge pension?
we've seen it all before....
Jersey cooked the books
Pity I couldn't read page 2 - please can we British Taxpayers have our money back - twenty years fiddling the British Government - oops now that will put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Perhaps the UK
Government will really listen now!!!!!!!
Lenny Harper cleared of witch hunt.
Week just got worse for Jon Haworth.
I must defend the civil servant who has spoken out concerning the reciprocal health agreement.
Better late than never!
I can fully understand why civil servants don't speak out when in office. They are - with justification - terrified of the inevitable oppressions and victimisation which the oligarchy inflict upon anyone who 'rocks the boat'.
I welcome his publicising of this situation.
And I would most strongly encourage other former - and current - civil servants to do exactly the same - in respect of all the bloody shambles and corruption they have become aware of.
Look at it this way - there is now a tidal movement against the Jersey oligarchy; it may take a few more years - but their end is approaching - as surely as an historical inevitability.
So if you are aware of gross failures in public administration, cover-ups, corruption, criminal acts and general stagnation on the part of senior officials and States members - now is the time to spill the beans.
Juts like the brave man on the front page of today's JEP.
Stuart
Harper cleared of all charges
Sorry I screwed up the link - here's the other one
page two of todays JEP
Stuart.
I will be publishing a Blog on the "JDA2" hopefully this Monday on VFC. Where I hope to have an interview with at least one of the Deputies. I would also like to get an interview with Rob Bryans but don't have an e-mail address for him, wonder if any of your readers could help?, or indeed if Mr.Bryans reads this Blog could you drop me an e-mail? voiceforchildren@gmail.com.
The filthy Rag published my comment in the end, things must be getting tuff for them! and ahhh what the hell..............MARIO LUNDY!!
Now get them told
Ref the retired civil servant!
I agree with Stuart better late than never at all! There our plenty of others in the same boat, they find themselves in a position that if they speak out they will lose out, either their job, promotion, pension or whatever. The time has come to however to start forwarding and disclosing to some one in confidence!
Scenario 1
If a States of Jersey employee fails to disclose / mention he has an interset and and active role in a private company is he in the wrong?
2 Is it correct that such a matter could be allowed to continue over a sustained period of 10yrs or more?
3 If this matter has been allowed to continue does it not demonstrate systemactic failings within the States?
4 If brought to the States attention what action if any should be taken and against who? The individual or the States or Both?
5 If an individual uses the States equipment and time to conduct his private buisness affairs is he/she guilty of any offence?
6 If he/she has failed to declare to the Tax man their second income have they broken any law?
7 When confronted with the facts the States actively try and mislead and cover up the matter.
8 If they use the States equipment among other things like the States email address to conduct unauthorised exchanges of private,personal and sensitive material is he breaching the Data laws and the various communication laws?
9 Considering Stuart was arrested etc under the Data laws what should happen in the case as above?
10 Have they committed any other offences such as Fraud,Deception,Tax Avoidance etc
Just a few things to think about. Would anyone indulge in any such activities?
Ooh Damn Buster.
I can the backsides starting to go in certain quarters already!
It'll soon be 'bombs away!'
I'm just so much looking forward to the oligarhcy's attempts to wriggle out of this one - I can't wait.
Stuart
Great news about Mr Harper. That is yet another kick in the goolies for the vile anti Lenny brigade.
So Lenny Harper has been cleared of all charges. What is now stopping Graham Power's reinstatement and a return to a full investigation of the Jersey Child Abuse Tragedy. There are hundreds of victims and witnesses who are waiting - bring it on. There are plenty of suspects still alive (some of them as we know, in prestigious and well-paid jobs) in Jersey, UK, France and elsewhere. Come on Bill Bailhache, send Gladrags and Warcop packing and get on with charging the people that think they have got away with it. We are not satisfied with the prosecution of one elderly warden and someone who was an inmate of HDLG from infancy and suffered abuse himself (not that I condone the terrible offences these men have committed). What about the people who abused Michael Aubin? What about the people who have escaped prosecution by dying? They must be named also. There is plenty of evidence on your desk Bill - unless Warcop has ripped it up!
The coverup has been blown apart. People are asking questions in the media and all over the world. The time has come for action!
Glad to see we're getting back to the real issue on this blog and hope we have heard the last of the masons and jtm.
Go Lenny son your a hero!!
Lenny Harper Cleared (Channelonline.TV)
I think Lenny has only been cleared of the 5 police and Boschat complaints.
Those were the total complaints.
He has been cleared of all of them.
Stuart
You are getting to be a bit of a tease Dam Buster, lets hope you are going to reveal all, soon
Gallichan proves himself as a first class coward. Fistly he agrees to smuggle drugs to make money out of "addicted to the stuff", people. He then, after lying about being involved, grasses on his partners in crime.
Nothing but a low life, and just as well he didnt go to prison, because he wouldnot have come out intact. A coward and a grass.
When Power comes back, will Kinnard come back, and spill the beans?
I must add my sentiments to those already voiced over the clearing of Lenny Harper of all 'charges' against him. Superb result!
The sooner Graham Power is back in post the better. These two men must have a wonderful opinion of this Island.
When he is reinstated perhaps then the real issues will start to be dealt with and those who should have been brought to account over HdelaG will finally be brought to trial.
I note the JEP have had to issue an apology over Meridian's misinterpretation of Deputy's Southern and Pitman's charges.
It comes to something when a reporter cannot even get the facts that appear in their own RAG right!!
Stuart
RE Jersey fiddled the books!
Did you about this and if so when did you find out?
Where has that stupid troll gone? JTM seems to have disappeared off of the radar. It looks like he might have bottled it to me.
His old site seems to have taken a dive as well. Maybe people are beginning to realise they might be being monitored and are kicking it into touch?
It is also good to see Lenny Harper exonerated of all charges against him. I wonder what JTM and his merry band thinks of that? Its ashame he has been scared off posting even under an aliase. I would have liked to hear his reasoning as to why this happened.
I wonder what his mate Deputy Dawg feels about all this?
Maybe its a case of fiddling whilst Jersey burns?
Stuart is there any reason why we in the Channel Islands have to pay our BBC licences as we live in a different jurisdiction? Is it legal to force islanders to pay this tax on TV in Jersey?
Maybe it is time to have a ban the BBC season where as many as possible don't renew their licences. If enough did it I don't think the BBC could do anything about it. Maybe this could be a way to get back at the way the local BBC act?
Animal Farm.
"some are more equal than others."
More lyrics from Mr Peter Gabriel:
You can blow out a candle
But you can't blow out a fire
Once the flames begin to catch
The wind will blow it higher...
And the eyes of the world are watching now...
watching now...
Has Jersey fiddled the books?
Yes.
Was I aware of any dishonest or unethical practices - such as those described in the JEP report - no.
Though knowing what I know now concerning the way in which the stagnant upper-reaches of Jersey's civil service operate - I can entirely accept that there were dubious accounting practices.
I knew that the reciprocal health agreement was going out of balance. Essentially, the original scheme was to allow a 20% variation each way in health care provided, before either party had to begin paying top-up fees.
Given the decline in UK tourists visiting Jersey, it became clear to me that the island was going to have to get realistic, and pay into the agreement. And I was successful in securing the moneys to keep the deal going for a few years.
But it was always clear politically, the the RH agreement had a limited life-span - and that it had to end - and be replaced with something else.
This was one of my major concerns when I wrote a 10 page critique of the first draft of the so-called 'New Directions' health strategy.
That document was an absolute pile of garbage; I mean, really breathtakingly atrocious.
So I wrote a critique of it and repeatedly asked the questions, "how much?" "Where is all the money going to come from?" "what new funding mechanisms and streams should we adopt?"
I got the bullet before I ever received a detailed revised version of New Directions. Indeed, I suspect the two events are not unrelated.
When pretty much your entire team of very expensive senior civil servant mangers have been exposed by you pointing out that their new "strategy" just doesn't exist in any credible sense - like the emperors new clothes - suddenly they have a powerful reason to get rid of you.
I should do a blog post dedicated to the future of health & social care in Jersey - there are so many issues confronting the services that just don't get spoken of publicly.
And - I will have to explain in detail why the concept of building an entirely new hospital for the island has to be one of the most vainglorious acts of folly I've ever know the States to contemplate.
Have they any grasp of what such a venture would cost? Believe me - it will make the cost of the new incinerator look like pocket money.
And even if we had such money - which we don't any more - where is the cost benefit analysis?
How do we know that forking out what could easily approach a billion pounds on this vanity project, would be a better spend of money than actually employing more nurses, doctors, social workers and other specialists?
Yes - I'll definitely have to write in detail about H & SS.
Stuart
From channelonline.tv...
"Mr Harper always claimed that the allegations were a witch-hunt by the force and today his innocence has been confirmed".
So Lenny Harper has-quite rightly- been cleared of any misconduct following an investigation by the Devon and Cornwall police.
Does that mean that there WAS a witch-hunt against him by the States police?-lets be honest it wouldnt be the first time they've tried to smear the name of this decent copper.
He didnt do "the Jersey way"-too much backbone and too many morals!.Thank God.
People as some one as said previously on the blog "remember Al Capone and how he fell"!
While it may not be the most exciting way to tackle your problems on the Island it does have its advantages! Once having brought the matters to the attentions of the relevant COUNTRIES concerned and not just the UK, its only a matter of time before the Big guns get on board.
Obama recently made reference to a building in the Cayman Islands he said " Its either the biggest building in the world housing thousands of companies or else its the biggest tax scam in the world"
So start thinking along those lines folks and start to get the thinking caps on. The pooh will hit the fan so make sure you can demonstrate that you tried to inform some one of the wrong doings and I dont mean your boss!
While all the other matters relating to child abuse etc our in my opinion far more important, sometimes the more boring things can prove to be the Achilles heel.
Quite a lot of tax avoidance has been taking place which we all know, it appears time is about to be called.
Stuart
Re Lennie story, posted on JEP but may not be published (not towing the party line)
"So when will Mr Harper receive an apology from the States of Jersey for the vilification he has endured?
When will Graham Power have some resolution of his situation?
I agree with poster #1 Mr Warcop must go, didn't he by innuendo suggest that Lennie Harper was bullying police officers (now clearly discredited)?
And why didn't the States of Jersey release this information? Lennie Harper himself seems to have informed the press. Surely the States should be delighted to announce that a previous senior police officer was cleared of what now appear to be malicious, vexatious allegations?"
Stuart
Good letter in the JEP tonight about John Day, interesting you cannot comment on it, even although the court case is now over. JEP censorship at its best again. I would like to support the views set out in the letter.
"Can no one bring an end to this appalling situation?
May 28, 2009 – 2:59 pm
From Dennie de Faye.
I AM writing to voice my deep concern on behalf of John Day, a gentleman, I would stress ‘gentle’, who came to us in Jersey a good many years ago to serve our community through our Hospital as a highly-qualified surgeon.
I am very happy to say that he and his wife have been not only friends of mine, but helped in making my return to Jersey in 2003, by their constant kindnesses, a real homecoming, along with my own family, of course, and old friends.
The facts of the case, as I know them, are that having an honourable record throughout his working days with us, that interestingly took him to be head of his department, Mr Day is now being made a victim, I would dare to suggest a scapegoat, for an operation that sadly ended in the tragic death of the patient.
It is clear to me that whatever is generally thought by many people that Mr Day should be held responsible, there are many others who, knowing all the facts, would hotly disagree. Leaving aside the details surrounding the operation itself, my challenge is to the Hospital authorities who have put Mr Day and his family in a position of guilt and thereby brought disrespect and distrust upon themselves.
I would remind them that at the outset, some 20 months ago, Mr Day was not charged by the police. He has never been given a chance to speak in court for himself and I personally know that he and his family have endured with courage and dignity an isolation which few can imagine, or could themselves bear.
In order not to be too lengthy, I will close by asking: Is Jersey any more a community that cares about unnecessary, long-term suffering?
Can the Hospital authorities be considered blameless in prolonging an honourable end to this appalling situation?
Are there not those in the government, the police or the judiciary who can put aside all the so-called evidence and see their way to the truth?
Meanwhile I, as a Jersey woman, confess that I am ashamed of standing by silently and I trust justice, honesty and truth will prevail.
5 Windsor Cottages,
Rue de la Sente Maillard,
Grouville.
Article posted on 28th May, 2009 - 2.59pm
Re Lenny Harper
What this demonstrates folks that by getting an outside Authority involved Justice can and will be achieved. Its to Lennys credit that he stood firm and rose above the smear campaign.
Under the current climate I doubt any country will ignore the fact that they have been duped out of millions in taxes. Look at this way if they fail to take action and it hits the press in the relevant countries who have lost out, would you be sitting on your hands ?
So the ball starts rolling!
Posted this on JEP letters page on letter before the one supporting John Day about vocational training - where you could leave a comment.
"Why can't I comment on the letter supporting John Day?"
Wendy Kinnard, you cannot just disappear without trace, and any kind of explaination. It will come out in the history books anyway.
A letter worth reading from the rag tonight, very much in favour of Dr Day.
The letter concerning John Day.
Readers may be interested to know that my report and proposition for the establishing of a Committee of Inquiry into the tragedy has finally been cleared for lodging - and will go public sometime in the next few days.
I'm sure Mr. Day and all decent people will be hoping that the States approve the proposition.
Stuart
Stuart
Excellent news about the proposition. Will the truth finally come out?
"I knew that the reciprocal health agreement was going out of balance. "
But you carried on pinching the money from the NHS anyway?
As someone who has studied law - UK (common law), I am surprised and disappointed by the Island's continued use of the Jurat system - which should, in my opinion, be abolished and replaced with something more legally objective and constructive... especially considering the evolution of human rights law in Europe and the UK.
the dam is busting. I cannot wait for the whole sorry episodes of corruption and incompetence to be spilt for the whole world to see we are in a mess and it can only get worse.
You know one day the spotlight will fall back onto Jersey and the establishment party.
How will they explain episodes like the persecution of the JDA2?
Please can someone put up page 2 of the JEP. I can only manage to get the front page up on the last referral. Thankyou
"Simply put the law is the law and everybody must abide by it including politicians. I for one am glad that these two politicians have been charged for their offences, as I would be if I were to break the law. I would have hoped that you would recognise this for what it really is: equal treatment within society."
Thankyou for that reasoned and fair comment Herr Goebells.
Maybe it is time to have a ban the BBC season where as many as possible don't renew their licences. If enough did it I don't think the BBC could do anything about it.
Well if enough of us stopped paying our licence fees they might stop maintaining their transmitters
It's a shame our leaders decided that tourism was too downmarket an industry for the island to be associated with. Because it looks as though the health care we have come to accept as standard was paid for indirectly by those awfully common folk who used to like to visit us.
Has it occurred to any of our right wing leaders that the reason we are able to operate as a low tax juristiction is because we have traditionally leeched off the UK for the big expenses that a state must incur?
Health and education are the real biggies. Apart from the health agreement and the bargain university rates that we used to enjoy, every year the states recruits staff who have been trained educated and trained by the UK. How many doctors, nurses and teachers could we train independently on this island?
The standard of living we enjoy has been subsidised by the UK taxpayer and no amount of wishing or talk of belt tightening can alter that.
I mean apart from giving us their money, building up our airport, harbours and travel links to the world, financing local hotels, shops and entertainments, funding our health service and generally raising the standard of living on this island from 1945 to the mid 90's, what have the tourists ever done for us?
No such thing as parental responsibility!!
JERSEY FOCUS ON MENTAL HEALTH
CHAIMAN
Julian Clyde-Smith
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
Anton Skinner
Thee ANTON SKINNER?
However one must consider what might have happened if they had refused to collaborate and what action may have been taken.
http://www.oradour.info/
"I really think they should indeed take this further. It would seem if you are elderly, infirm, or have difficulties in making your way to the polling booth you are not allowed to get anyone to help you to apply for your right to vote. "
There is a procedure called SICK VOTES - just ring your Parish Hall, or someone to do it for you
Balanced arguements - parental responsibility.
Why do you think it is Stuart, that the SOJP cannot issue a statement off it's own back relating to the clearing of Lenny Harper on all charges?
It would appear from the JEP that they are reluctant to do so.
Could the egg be so well stuck on the face that it is hard to get off?
Meridian
Is this the person with an award winning hyphenatred brother.
JTM
Jonathon S Haworth
Lenny Harper
HERO
JEP thought repairing a thatched roof was a bigger story.
I see the JEP have opened a comment section for the letter relating to John Day. Perhaps some comments may bring this appauling situation to the attention of someone.
Who is going to be held accountable for the years of fiddling the accounts relating to the reprocial health agreement. Will this man who has disclsed this be subjected to the same as you Stuart the minute he steps foot outside his door. Will his house be searched for further incriminating evidence against the States of Jersey. I hope this elderly man is not subjected to the same treatment as you received for blowing the whistle on something that happened years ago.
Sorry - but the comment about sick-votes is cobblers.
In St. Helier, the most densely populated parish, it has been established that they would have had nothing approaching the resources required to proactivly visit every potential voter and assist them with application forms.
Those who attempt to defend this law have set themselves an utterly futile task.
There is no known equvilanet for this law in any Commonwealth country.
But perhaps you're one of these people who belive that only the Jersey oligarchy marches in step - and the rest of the democratic world has got it all wrong?
Stuart
Will the media buffoons who so gleefully reported on the attempt to smear Lenny Harper now accept that they were wrong?
How many more times must we watch airheaded bimbos reporting the establishment line with a smirk, believing everything they're spoon fed, and then later realise it was all a crock? Isn't it time the penny dropped?
It is suggested above that a refusal to collaborate may have led to a massacre - as in the French village.
I do not belive the two situations are at all analogious.
For example, in Jersey, knowing that the Nazis were going to invade any day - and that there would only ever be one use to which the JEP would be put - the owners should have smashed the presses before the Nazis got here.
One also has to ask the question, can there have ever been an acceptable excuse for failing to mount so little resistance to the Nazis? Even if some of the resistance may have brought down punishment upon those people?
We were engaged in total war - against the most monstrous and foul manifestation of human power ever seen. Thousands upon thousands of people were fighting - and dying - through all those years - for our freedom.
Given the ultimate sacrifices that so many people made - could it seriously be argued that something so comparatively slight as smashing the printing presses - or refusing to work for the Nazis - would have been too great a risk and danger?
You may think so.
I do not.
Stuart
It is asserted above that I 'carried on pinching money from the NHS anyway' - this in the context of the reciprocal health agreement.
I'm sorry if my previous comment didn't make the situation clear; I will try and explain again.
We had an agreement with the UK.
When originally established it allowed for a 20% variation or disbalance in benefit - towards either party.
When I became President of the H & SS Committee, I was made aware of the fact that the boundary of the 20% permissible variation was going to be breached, and we would, therefore, have to pay money into the scheme to bring it back within the 20% variation.
I made a case for the extra funding from the then Finance & Economics Committee, and was successful.
As far as I was aware that was all entirely above-board and the correct way to proceed.
What was not made known to me, and I imagine, other politicians as well, was that the scheme was being fiddled by the senior civil servants.
We were never told that - in fact - the 20% boundary had been massively breached - many years ago - but we were maintaining a fictitious appearance of balance by cooking the books.
The information supplied to Jersey politicians by our civil servants was the same information they supplied to the Department of Health in the UK.
Jersey politicians, well, certainly not me, had any idea that the figures used in accounting for the scheme, and in any negotiations were largely fictitious - a load of cobblers invented by the the senior management.
What has emerged - thanks to the brave former civil servant - is yet another example of the routine, brazen and dramatic lying to politicians by senior civil servants - and deliberate and calculated misleading by omission.
Stuart
It's interesting to hear that no action can be taken against an acting chief police officer. Is this the answer for the establishment to get away with anything they like?
If an acting police chief doesn't have to answer to anyone, God help us!
Hello peeps, just another reminder to carry on boycotting the JEP. Please save your money for more important things. You can read most of the items online for free at http://www.thisisjersey.com
This is the JEP's online website. Why pay when it is free? Use your brains.
As per the BBC so what if they don't maintain their local transmitters? Do the French across the way, pay for the BBC? Of cause not!
If those in charge of the JEP had smashed their gear they would have been true freedom fighters, not the Nazi's puppets for 5 years. I view this as collaberation. I would have expected that anyone profiteering from the occupation should have been brought to account as soon as the islands were liberated.
Where is the troll? I am missing his stupid posts.
'Meridian
Is this the person with an award winning hyphenatred brother.'
Surname Plunkett-Cole by chance. If so the answer is yes!
Where is the troll?Job Centre
AA
Prison
Hiding from LH
I am missing his stupid posts.I AM CERTAINLY NOT.
I thought Meridian was a man with glasses
Stuart
The acting Police Chief says that he is not accountable to Jersey Law, therefore Lenny Harper cannot prosecute him. Does this also mean that he is unaccountable for arresting you and raiding your home?
Bizarre!
Re: Wierdcop
It's actually worse than that.
Not only is the chief officer or acting Chief Officer not in any way accountable to the jersey Police Complaints Authority - exactly the same is true of every single UK based officer seconded to work in Jersey - of which their are and have been a substantial number.
Their only accountability is to their home force or the regional PCA in their area.
The whole scene is an absurd nightmare.
I'll write about it in detail some time soon.
Stuart
The troll's forum looks rather dead at the moment. Maybe his alter egoes are also on holiday with him?
A propos Henry David Thoreau mentioned above. One of his best known quotes is someething like
'A man is rich in proportion to the what he can live without'
The way the world is going with water resources,food insecurity and peak oil, we might all be very rich sooner than we imagined!
Come on Stuart. Be careful before talking about the Occupation. You were not there. It's easy to be a rebel these days, in the society we currenly live in. Go back then and your brains would have been blown out, without hesitation. It's easy to look at it from our current "safe" point in time. I feel for every person who endured the occupation or fought in the war. Rebellion was dealt with swiftly and harshly.
So if the Senior civil servants were guilty of this while under your chare, why are you not after them with rabid hunger?
I think it's poor excuse that you didn't examin the figures more closely. You certainly seem to be able to get your head round legal matters with littel trouble. Accountancy? Why didn't you delve deeper at the time. Surely you have to take some personal responsibility, if you were the man with overall responsibility?
Stuart I have just read your proposition to the States (available on States Assembly website). It makes sorry and shocking reading. A tale of a women who lost her life needlessly and the massive cover up that has ensued to protect the perpetrators.
As for a blame free culture - this is not appropriate in health. This would mean anyone could hurt or kill anyone and there would be no blame. No health should be about "fair blame". Health facilities make mistakes - and always will do due to the complexities and human involvement - however they can and should learn from them.
The fact that John Day has essentially been the sacrificial lamb in this case is also shocking. He is a good man and in my opinion is a caring and professional doctor. He has not been charged with anything (quite rightly because he is not guilty of anything) yet he has been hounded and treated very badly over the last two years by his very own colleagues.
Any states members who do not support your proposition for a fully independent inquiry can count themselves complicit in the next unnecessary death to occur at the hospital. They will be complicit because they are effectively not calling into play any checks and balances of the current systems (or lack of them). In addition, they will be supporting the lack of accountability of senior management and the overall aim of the self same senior team to protect themselves at all costs.
This is going to be a very interesting time for Ann Pryke. I hope that she speaks for herself in the States when discussing this proposition. If she goes with a HSSD pre-spun speech - it will be telling. Ann, you do not need a health manufactured speech to support this proposition. Go with your knowledge of health services and set the precedent of, for the first time, allowing all the facts no matter how horrific to be exposed for what they are. You have a duty.
I hope tomorrow the JEP announce how much Graham Power's unnecessary suspension is costing -another cover up ferrago and the the blaming of another innocent man.
You couldn't make it up - is right. When will the States of Jersey do the right thing. They must be nearly at the stage of imploding with the results of their recent decisions now all coming out - and looking very much like the have failed joe public but have spent much time and effort protecting themselves and their senior civil servants.
Who will be the next Chief Executive and indeed the senior management team at Health? I think the rats will be leaving the sinking ship very shortly. Watch this space.
Cover-Up-Cops!!!
Stuart,
Mike Pollard,(Essentially employed?), Chief Executive of SoJ Health and Social Services. His five year contract was up three weeks ago. Who has authorised the extension to his contract? If it has not been extended, why is he still in this highly powered position?
There is something about the post quoted below that makes me think that the poor spelling is - how shall I put it? - manufactured.
You can judge for yourselves:
Anonymous said...
So if the Senior civil servants were guilty of this while under your chare, why are you not after them with rabid hunger?
I think it's poor excuse that you didn't examin the figures more closely. You certainly seem to be able to get your head round legal matters with littel trouble. Accountancy? Why didn't you delve deeper at the time. Surely you have to take some personal responsibility, if you were the man with overall responsibility?"
Bill Ogley, Chief Executive of The SoJ (Essencially employed, destroyer of very valuable minutes to crucial meeting).
Never mind he gets his Jersey Housing Qualifications next year.
The troll's forum looks rather dead at the moment. Maybe his alter egoes are also on holiday with him?
Hah! try Baker Tilly channel islands
Stuart, besides you, and a few others Deputy Bob Hill seems to be doing most of the work for change for the better. That rag reporter Carl Walker seems to be trying to open a few eyes aswell, what ever happened to Elaine Byrnes? she was doing well, for a while.
How is it possible that good people like Day, and Power get suspended, yet people like Lundy, and Pollard keep their positions?
Wendy where are you when Graham needs you?
Good men like John Day and Graham Power suspended?
Not good men like Mario Lundy and Mike Pollard not suspended?
Just take that situation as evidence for all I've said.
The Jersey oligarchy - as corrupt, ignorant, weak and as unethical as hell.
But I sense their time is coming to an end.
More and more decent, good people - people who would not usually regard themselves as sharing similar political views - are saying "enough is enough".
It isn't a Left wing versus Right wing argumanet.
It is simply about the burning need Jersey has for basic competence, ethics, honesty and integrity across its public administration.
As I've remarked previously - if a Green, centre-Left, anti-establishment character like me - can find rock-solid unity with with a conservative, ex-RUC, very senior police officer, like Lenny Harper - that should say all you need to know about just how isolated the Jersey oligarchy are.
Stuart
Stuart
Hi there,
Could someone please put a link to Stuarts proposition (on the States Website) because I can't find it, and don't know what else to search for.
Thanks so much- good luck with it by the way Stuart.
It's a shame the rag has been unable to find the same amount of space to "report" Lenny Harpers innocence as they used to promote the malicious stories spread by Harper's enemies.
Come on Stuart. Be careful before talking about the Occupation. You were not there. It's easy to be a rebel these days, in the society we currenly live in. Go back then and your brains would have been blown out, without hesitation. It's easy to look at it from our current "safe" point in time. I feel for every person who endured the occupation or fought in the war. Rebellion was dealt with swiftly and harshly.
I am obliged to post in support of the above earlier posting.
My father & mother both resided here - seperately - throughout the occupation. Jersey-born, they both told me they may have chosen to evacuate; had they foreseen the future.
Both saw great friends and close family deported, never to be seen again.
Those here, defencelessly, faced daily armed threats; and had to define the value, not just of their own lives, but those of their dependants.
There were no daily fly-overs, dropping supplies of arms to aid the insurgency; no moonless-night parachuters coming to their aid; the Jersey population were unarmed and alone and I defy anyone with sufficient independence of thought to imagine this scenario - and continue to pass judgement!
The UK police have their own 'laws' which makes them pretty much unaccountable to the public they are supposed to be serving. I ask who gave them the authority to act outside of the laws the rest of us have to follow?
Perhaps the queen gives them these extra-ordinary powers - powers that override statute and common law.
What more proof do people need that we live in a police state?
Good men like John Day and Graham Power suspended?
A weak & unrepresentative Council of Ministers.
A Chief Minister lacking in presence & authority, who is frankly an embarrassment.
Careless, fearful & ineffectual politicians.
This culture of secrecy, behind which the malevolent & avaricious advance their decadence.
You're right; we are sick & tired of it.
Pack of Animals
MARIO LUNDY
To see the SS proposition -
Google States Assembly
When in site - look for Propositions tag and all the propositions are there - I think it is number P76.
From the oustide (mainland UK) Jersey must have some fantastic attractions not to see working folk leave in droves.
Far be it from me to preach sedition but what is holding yo back from a full tilt revolution?
"From the oustide (mainland UK) Jersey must have some fantastic attractions not to see working folk leave in droves.
Far be it from me to preach sedition but what is holding yo back from a full tilt revolution?"
Many, many Jerseyborn people have already left the island for the shores of Australia, New Zealand, Spain and France.
The beauty of this island is spellbinding at times and I would hate to leave it, especially on a sunny day. I love travelling but also love to see the coast of Jersey approaching from a 'plane or ship.
As for revolution - I think many now are ready for a change! Personally I prefer a pacifists approach but that, looking back in history, requires patience. I think I am running out of patience and I know others are.
You see from where I sit, in my opinion, the people who pull the strings gauge how the island is feeling and pull and push accordingly. So not everyone is dissatisfied at the same time. Is that what they call SPIN?
Divide and rule and conquer!
Anyhow:
Truth Will Out
Re: The Occupation
Many members of my family endured the occupation years.
And my immediate family were deported to the Biberach Nazi internment camp.
So I do have a familial understanding of what the war was like for Jersey people.
My point was not that the civilian population of the island should have taken up massed armed resistance to the Nazis. I think it fair to say that would, indeed, have lead to vast numbers of deaths – to no useful purpose.
But the risks, dangers and hardships the commenter above describes, whilst real – were dramatically less serious than that suffered by most people across Europe – not least the many 10,000’s of people who made the ultimate sacrifice to win our freedom from the insanity that was Nazism.
I remain of the view that some symbolic resistance, such as smashing the JEP presses, and refusing to work for the Nazis, whilst risking reprisals, hardly equate to the bloody carnage and suffering most Europeans endured.
Personally, I find there’s something faintly creepy about the view some islanders have of the Occupation. Whilst unquestionably a period of danger, hardship and risk – to listen to some people speak of the Occupation, they’d have you believe it was something akin to the Pearl Harbour, the battle Stalingrad, Iwo Jima and the Normandy Landings combined.
I think there’s a need for some realism. Whilst undoubtedly a profoundly unpleasant episode – the plain fact is that the Channel Island had a pretty easy time of things compared to most other territories involved in WWII.
Stuart.
The Jersey Oligarch has a public squealometer which they progressively turn up until the public squeals… they turn it slightly back when the squealing gets to loud.. There is the rub!!! Most of the Oligarchy are old and hard of hearing….
I have been badgering my local (South London) MP to endorse EDM 1480.
After sending him two emails I received this in the mail today:
"Thank you for your correspondence asking me to sign Early Day Motion 1480: 'Arrest of Senator Stuart Syvret'.
"I read the Motion with concern as representatives of the people cannot be fearful of speaking on their constituents' behalf - that is the importance of Parliamentary privilege - or that correspondence with constituents will become public knowledge. There is also concern that the law is followed correctly by those charged with upholding it.
"I have written to the Secretary of State for Justice to ask for the government's view of events in Jersey, particularly the need for victims to receive proper redress and whether any action will be taken to alter the constitution.
"I will be in touch when I receive a response from the Secretary of State."
This, in my opinion, is a far more valuable move on the part of the Honourable Gentleman than merely signing the EDM. He has directly brought the content and spirit of that Motion right into the heart of the U.K. Government.
You, my dear friends in Jersey, do have friends here in Britain. All efforts will be made to remind the British establishment of what is happening on their southern doorstep.
Ashburton enters the realm of leading actor on the stage of doing things that matter.
Well done Ash old bean...
Thank you Ashburton.
The news that Emma "Data Dotty" Martins' dad John "Bergerac" Nettles has felt compelled to write hiw "own" Occupation history should ring a few warning bells.
Of course he was granted an almost unique 11k Housing permit at the depth of his acting career as the local drunken cop - on contentious SOCIAL grounds rather than mere wealth.
It was presumably felt at the time that he might inspire a whole load of other local hams but having been granted it, he never seems to have taken up the offer.
Now he claims that all the bad publicity over Haute de la Garenne needs to be redressed with a more favourable account of the war years.
It may of course be coincidental but this follows precisely in the pattern promoted by Prof Paul Matthews at his recent talk on the Island's historic image or "brand".
(See the voiceforjeresy posting of 11th May on this subject).
So stand by for yet more fiction to ensure that the sanitized version of Jersey's Occupation and the role of HdlG (Bergerac's old HQ) too is presented for public consumption.
And, who knows, perhaps Terry will dust off the old 11k permit so that the star writer can set up home here and perhaps a school on history re-writing too?
"Ashburton enters the realm of leading actor on the stage of doing things that matter.
Well done Ash old bean..."
It's infinitely better thsn just sitting on your arse and posting sarcastic comments.
Ref Sedition etc.. (my posting)
I respond and confirm that I too am pacifist by nature.
It is just that after 30 years of all this appalling mis-government the ordinary bloke (and blokess) gets a bit hissed orf.
Here in the UK we are on the brink of toppling our "elected" reps. as so many have abused the trust placed in them.
The situation on sunny Jersey seems so much worse.
I am not advocating stringing anyone up on the lamp posts - a pacifist mob loading all the gits (named regularly on this blog) onto the ferry with a one way ticket would be just fine.
Try it and see what occurs! Watch out for the missile launchers and automatic weaponry however.
BTW - Good on you Lenny! and yes an apeeal and thence to Strasbourg for the fined (£10 % £2 K politicians)
It just seems to go on and on..
Yes fellow Mason "Ash" well done.
My own MP (South West) has indicated that because he is a shadow cabinet man he can't do EDM's! - and by implication can't support child support issues?
I feel change may be in the air - even in safe Conservative seats.
The post reffered to earlier concerning "brands" manufactured by "historians"
Sorry, forgot to put the link!
http://voiceforjersey.blogspot.com/2009/05/our-nation-and-whose-history.html
I posted a comment on the Daily Mail online site a couple of days ago which was not published.
The comment was regarding a case in the UK where a convicted paedophile was being granted legal aid and went into depth-amongst other things- about some loopholes in the Sex Offenders Register.
In my comment I suggested that the UK was fortunate as-however flawed-they do actually have a register and mentioned the fact that in Jersey we do not.
I take every opportunity to try and keep the Jersey child abuse disaster in the public eye but have found that time and again the UK media-in particular the Daily Mail- just dont want to know.
Anyone else had this uninterested response?..or is it me-am I turning into a "child abuse bore"?.
Maybe they care more about Jordans divorce or Britains got talent than about protecting children?.
If that is the case then what a sad world we live in.
Ashburton enters the realm of leading actor on the stage of doing things that matter.
Well done Ash old bean...
That was a compliment you person who don't do compliments... and employs whit like the stomping feet of a child...
Stuart
Re letter from Gil Blackwood in todays JEP about the Health Care Commission report into the psychiatric services inpatient unit.
Have posted this in the comments section, but it may not get through so hope you will post it here also.
"The reason why the report has not been release will be obvious to anyone with access to the H&SSD intranet.
Whilst the report is not available the outcome is although it takes a bit of finding. But guess what? The so called 'award winning' psychiatric inpatient unit only managed to score 2 on the Health Care Commissions inspection, further explained as only just meeting minimum standards.
A little more exploration of the intranet site shows that a few months earlier H&SSD were wrangling with the Health Care Commission about the scoring system so one might suspect the score could have been even lower without this interference.
All the more reason to ensure that a truly independent investigation of the Elizabeth Rourke case is undertaken where the Health Service cannot put undue influence on the investigators and the final outcome."
Like others I too have heard from my MP along with an assortment of others which really has surprised me. I have also drawn my MPs attention to the latest revelations relating to the alleged fiddling of the health agreement which I feel is adding fuel to the fire.
May I suggest that those who feel so inclined also inform their MP of the article in the Jersey Evening Post relating to this on Thursday 28th May 2009.
It amazes me this has not been reported in the British Press so it is up to us to keep our MPs informed.
The amount of money involved is disgraceful especially when you add this to the Fraudulent expenses of UK MPs.
The more we back Stuart and Abuse survivors in their quest for Justice, Freedom of Speech, Transpareny the better, eventually Jack Straw will no longer be able to turn a blind eye.
Thankyou.
I see that other forum has all but died a death now the troll of 101 different disguises isn't on it anymore. Why did it take them so long to ban the clown?
Having said that it was quite fun cranking the bafoon up. What must the establishment be thinking of his unmasking I wonder?
I found dumbassbee, jungledirector and fryer tucker all equally hilarious. Didn't this fool realise everyone could see through his disguise?
I wonder when he will slink back onto his friend Adrian's forum, and what name he will choose next?
I also wonder if he will be doing any canvassing for Adrian in the next elections? If he does it should be quite a laugh.
I think we in Jersey are being a bit harsh on ourselves as regards the "reciprocal health fiddle". Remember the JEP journalist was reporting the comments of a long retired civil servant. The civil servant used the word fiddle, but the actions he described were in fact probably reasonable at the time. If he had reported that numbers were being deliberately and unjustifiably inflated then that would have been a fraud. But the report gave no such evidence.
For what it's worth, I think the real story here may be that Mr Pollard antagonised the UK side by suggesting that they were fiddling their figures. He certainly expressed that view publically in Jersey a couple of years ago, and I know because I was in a meeting when he did so. In his usual immodest way, he was going to take them to task for it.
It is of interest that the UK government Department of Health did not release all the papers on this topic, using their right under the Freedom of Information Law to withold information that could “prejudice relations between the UK and any other state”. They also stated “Releasing these particular pieces of correspondence would prejudice international relations and make future negotiations with these states more difficult in the future,” In addition they refused to release information on the financial arrangements of the reciprocal health agreement.
There is a further article on this topic in this week's Health Services Journal. http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/policy/new-health-row-rocks-channel-islands/5001951.article
First of all, thank you anonymous for the help with reading Stuarts Proposition to the States, a must read for all, I think you have covered every angle Stuart, well done.
Talking about 'covered' isn't Verita the new name for CLOAK, as in CLOAK for a cover-up?
Very good luck with the proposition Stuart, I hope it gets passed.
Just to change the subject, but still within the realms of Health, a couple of links regarding Tamiflu
which has been banned by Japan. I don't think I'll be taking any of that stuff!
http://www.naturalnews.com/021110_Tamiflu_bird_flu_sodium.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/026354_elderberry_Tamiflu_immune_system.html
Please cut and paste, not up to proper links yet lol.
Freedom of Information Act, Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary and a dependable defender of the status quo in every sphere, is opposing the application. He believes that judges' misbehaviour should remain a private matter.
Ashburton have you not learned a thing? Stop shadow boxing and snarling at your own imagination my friend, people are offering their minds of friendship and you keep biting their hands.
Mike Pollard is in a hole
The loss of income from the UK and his inability to manage his budget and the lack of spending control mean his only alternative is another bail out by the tax payer.
The health department is a service that continues year on year to have extras added to its budget.They blackmail politicians and the public with cries of death and harm if additional money is not handed over. Recent events that are unfolding suggest that all we are doing is propping up an ailing service which is riddled with mismanagement and lacks standards
When is this department's spending going to be controlled and managed.
Recently when senior staff were asked to make suggestions to control costs - one senior staff member stated that he had sold his car to help out. This member of staff is on £130K+ in salary but doesn't seem to think he has any accountability to the taxpayer.
Perhaps we should start with downsizing inflated salaries and pensions of staff.
Those of us in the private sector, the majority of have no pay rises this year, are fed up with the increasing public sector wage bill that we have to pay for.
The one thing we ask for is spending restraint and what do we get - two fingers from public employees before the snouts go back into the trough.
Two politicians are arguing for more money to public workers - well if that happens I will withold the same portion from my tax return
It is time the Council of Ministers got off their arses and started to deal with their departments.
Minister Pryke does not need to spout rubbish about free screening for 50 year olds and new hospitals. She should be tackling the spiralling costs of providing our inadequate but costly health service.
This is her first priority not more spending which we can't actually afford ar possibly need.
Stuart
I thought Bill the Bayleaf was 'retiring' in June, well that's tomorrow and it's all gone very quiet. When is his last working day?
You know, we crapauds are a strange people.
No sooner than a well-meaning man from the mainland puts his head above the parapet and tries to help our cause than we start sniping and criticising him.
No wonder this man has said he would not invest a penny in any Jersey enterprise under current circumstances.
We must learn not to bite foreigners who have Jersey interests at heart.
You know who you are, and you know to whom I refer.
"Those of us in the private sector, the majority of have no pay rises this year, are fed up with the increasing public sector wage bill that we have to pay for.
The one thing we ask for is spending restraint and what do we get - two fingers from public employees before the snouts go back into the trough."
I work as a registered nurse in the Jersey General Hospital. I would willingly specify my exact department if it were not for the ignominy and opprobrium that I would incur from my superiors for speaking out.
I can assure you that none of us have had even a sniff of a salary increase for two years now.
For what it's worth, I drive a small car, but under no circumstances will I sell it to ease the Department's fiscal problems!
Phil the Bailiff is scheduled to retire at the end of June 2009:
http://www.gov.je/BailiffsChambers/RetirementBailiff.htm
Will flags fly along Victoria Avenue Will there be public rejoicing in the People's Park?
No - it's not "the Jersey Way".
"We must learn not to bite foreigners who have Jersey interests at heart."
We must have a little nibble just to test the ground because you have seen the Jersey way and how it works to stop people biting at them.
I like the banner picture
Nice to see that some MPs can actually be bothered. my own MP, laura Moffat, hasn't even bothered to reply to me, aside from the usual automated 'thank you for you mail' response. I'll be sending her one more, polite email, then I'll doorstep her with a camera and go to the press. There's no excuse to stand aside and allow something like the abuse scandal and the breakdown of law and order to continue. Unless, Laura, you have personal interests, such as keeping in Jack's good books...?
Retirement of Sir Philip Bailhache, Bailiff of Jersey
I've received a comment concerning the merits - or otherwise - of Elderberry vs Tamiflu.
Whilst I'm very happy to publish scientifically rigorous debunkings of the 'accepted view' - I would prefer they were just that -'scientific'.
The site referred to in the comment appears suspiciously like a peddler of quackery to me.
Stuart
""We must learn not to bite foreigners who have Jersey interests at heart."
We must have a little nibble just to test the ground because you have seen the Jersey way and how it works to stop people biting at them."
Could someone please explain the logic behind this response?
While I am not aware of any scientific evidence for the efficacy of elderberry as a cold and bronchitis remedy, I do know it has a long history of use for just that in herbal medicine. At least as far back as Roman Times.
"Pollard in his usual immodest way."
Does he have the right caring nature to be incharge of our Health care, or is he only looking after number one?
Does anyone who posts on here work for Baker Tilly besides the Troll? If they do what does the company think about all this? Are the bosses aware of the antics of JTM?
What's happened to him, its like he has vanished? Is he still in Jersey?
"The health department is a service that continues year on year to have extras added to its budget.They blackmail politicians and the public with cries of death and harm if additional money is not handed over. Recent events that are unfolding suggest that all we are doing is propping up an ailing service which is riddled with mismanagement and lacks standards"
(Deep breath)
As you may have noticed the population of our island is increasing.
More people means more work for our health services, people live longer now than they used to and therefore need more care than used to be necessary. This costs us money.
As if this wasn't enough of a drain on our resources science keeps discovering new treatments for diseases that would once have meant certain death. Unfortunately these new treatments cost money which comes from the health departments budget.
Costs, such as flu vaccinations,MRI scans or mental health services could be cut but not without endangering the health of islanders. I believe this is the "blackmailing cries threatening death or harm" that the previous writer refers to.
O.K. then mr angry may I ask what would you like to see cut from our health budget?
But please don't throw up that old chestnut about "the penpushers" working in the hospital. Unless of course you would rather see doctors and nurses leave their patients and settle down to a few hours of extra admin work every day.
Private care? Sure, let the states pay the BUPA bills for those that can't and let's see how that compares for value for money.
A previous post stated:
"I work as a registered nurse in the Jersey General Hospital. I would willingly specify my exact department if it were not for the ignominy and opprobrium that I would incur from my superiors for speaking out."
The very same staff group that had a job family pay increase as well pay rise in one year. This cost the tax payer an extra £1.5 million and yet another bail out.
More to the point - the staff then decided amongst themselves where they should be on the pay scales. Its a standing joke in the hospital that if you want a sister post or charge nurse post and you don't have any further qualifications - become a union rep
So please don't start telling the taxpayer certain staff groups deserve more because of the nature of the work - you don't
I am sick of hearing how down trodden and undervalued the public sector feel they are.
The terms and conditions in the public sector give most staff members significantly more holiday, job and grade protection and pension than any private sector worker.
It is time public spending was cut
"I've received a comment concerning the merits - or otherwise - of Elderberry vs Tamiflu."
Sorry Stuart - can you clarify whether you think it is Tamiflu or the alternative that you think is quackery.
With all this hyperbole about flu in the paper in the last few weeks. I've been reminded of Aesop's tales and the boy who called wolf. How much has this non event cost the island so far
Will there ever be a proper investigation into how so many childrens teeth came to be found buried in the grounds of HDGL?
Stuart,
Please start a thread about H&SS, in particular the Hospital. Invite staff and patients to summit.
Open the flood gates....................
Florence
"More people means more work for our health services, people live longer now than they used to and therefore need more care than used to be necessary. This costs us money."
I don't doubt it and that is why there is such a thing called business planning and disease monitoring.
None of which happens in the health department
"Sorry Stuart - can you clarify whether you think it is Tamiflu or the alternative that you think is quackery."
With the greatest respect to Senator Syvret, he is a politician and not a forensic pharmacologist!
"Sorry Stuart - can you clarify whether you think it is Tamiflu or the alternative that you think is quackery.
With all this hyperbole about flu in the paper in the last few weeks. I've been reminded of Aesop's tales and the boy who called wolf. How much has this non event cost the island so far"
A medic writes:
H&SS are damned if they do and damned again if they don't by planning ahead and taking precautions against an epidemic of H1N1 influenza.
The good worthies of Jersey may consider themselves lucky to have avoided infection - so far.
However, it is in the very nature of things that some strain or other of the influenza virus will strike during the next few months.
The parable of the wise and the foolish virgins springs to mind.
Stuart.
A commenter asked "Will there ever be a proper investigation into how so many childrens teeth came to be found buried in the grounds of HDGL"?
Didn't the new "Police Squad" tell us they were left out for the tooth fairy?
Lenny Harper told us they COULD NOT have come out before death, due to the root attatched. But it looks like he must have been advised poorly.
The new guys have said they were left for the tooth fairy, and that is what we are expected to believe.......Investigation done!
To the people moaning about the health sectors pay I just want to say that all the staff of the hospital that will be wiping perhaps your backside in many years to come deserve their pay and much more.
Its so easy to slate them as a whole sector but regretably it is the ones who earn the least that do the jobs that you or i may rely on in the future.
I think its fair to moan about the people in the high positions who are earning more than they deserve but the whole health care sector should not be brought up into disrepute.
It might cost an extra million or so per year but it is money well spent rather than squandered on useless projects and experts opinions on garbage that many of the populace are not interested in.
We all need the hospital at one point or another in our lives and the people that do the job deserve a respectable wage.
Man, that comment about it costing a 1.5 million has annoyed me and i dont work in the hospital or for that matter the public service of any kind.
Many of these workers dont just do it for the money but they do need paying. Slate the rest of the public servises such as the people who are required to stand and watch a colleugue drill a hole for health and safety reasons but dont slate those that will be helping you out one day in the future. Sorry for the rant!
Pollard is only looking after number one. Wait until the s*** hits the fan, then we will see if he can keep it up.
"Will there ever be a proper investigation into how so many childrens teeth came to be found buried in the grounds of HDGL?"
Will there indeed? Actually they were not found in the grounds of HDLG but in the "voids" under the floor boards at the back of the building. When I lived there in the early 60's a lot of the cellar area was not floored over and there were rooms that we used at the back that were below ground level but not floored over. These teeth appeared to have been deliberately concealed at some point in the late 60's when they put the floors down and restructured the building to make the remand unit and divide it into into family groups. At that point I believe they moved the babies and toddlers over from Westaway Creche which then closed down.
Warcop would have us believe this was the work of the tooth fairy. He would have us believing that there was no child abuse in any care homes in Jersey next!!!
O.K. then mr angry may I ask what would you like to see cut from our health budget?
CEO, Deputy CEO, Medical Director, Director of Social Services, Director of Governance, Director of Surgery
That's at least £1m saved in wages and pension!
"We must have a little nibble just to test the ground because you have seen the Jersey way and how it works to stop people biting at them." Logic? since when does Logic matter to those in Jersey?
If it did the Logical thing to do would be lock-up all the abusers Not let then continue to rule.
Maybe the troll Haworth was on the next boat out.
pathetic creature
Sorry Stuart,
I'm no scientist, but it all looked a bit scientific to li'l ole me
http://www.blackelderberry.info/File/Zakay_Rones_1995_JACM_-_scanned.pdf
http://www.blackelderberry.info/File/Zakay-Rones_2004_JIMR_2.pdf
http://www.blackelderberry.info/File/Barak_2001_ECN_-_scanned.pdf
Clinical Summary
Effective in the treatment of flu
Research data from studies around the world have proven black elderberry extract to be effective in shortening the duration of influenza A and B. Below are some research highlights:
•1995 (Zakay-Rones)- A double blind placebo controlled study was conducted during an outbreak of influenza B Panama. 93.3% of the cases treated with black elderberry compound saw a significant improvement of the symptoms. A complete cure was achieved within 2 to 3 days in nearly 90% of those treated with the black elderberry extract within two-three days, three days less than the placebo group.
•2001 – (Barak, Halperin and Kalickman) 2 in-vitro studies have shown that extracts from black elderberry were beneficial to the stimulation of the immune system.
•2004 –( Zakay-Rones) In a randomized, double blind, placebo controlled study, black elderberry extract was shown to significantly reduce the duration of the flu by around four days. Significantly less people who were taking the extract took pain relievers compared to the placebo group.
•2005 –(Balasingham ) During an in-vitro study carried out in London, black elderberry extract was found to be at least 99% effective against the H5N1 strain otherwise known as Avian Bird Flu.
Effective as an immune booster
Medical science has only recently discovered the likely basis for the elderberry’s health-giving reputation. Studies (Pietta 2000, Mateus 2004) have shown that elderberries are unusually rich in the phytochemicals known as flavonoids. Among all fruits, elderberries are the most concentrated source of anthocyanins, a class of flavonoids that act as powerful antioxidants to boost the immune system and protect the body’s cells from harm.
These anthocyanins are found in the purple pigment of black elderberries, and according to Dr. Gerhard Rechkemmer, president of Germany’s Federal Research Institute for Nutrition and Food, they have significantly greater antioxidant capacity than common antioxidants such as Vitamin C. In fact, Dr. Rechkemmer’s research has shown that the anthocyanins in black elderberry actually boost the production of cytokines, the proteins that act as messengers within our immune system, and thereby serve to enhance the body’s immune response.
Cytokines play a crucial role in the immune system’s response to disease. Cytokines work in ways very similar to hormones. They are released by immune cells into the blood stream or locally into body tissue during an immune response.
There are many different types of cytokines including interleukins, interferons and tumor necrosis factors.
Several studies have shown that extracts from the fruits of the black elderberry (Sambucus nigra) may help to activate the immune system by increasing inflammatory cytokine production. (Barak 2001, Barak2002))
Both studies above found that extracts from black elderberries helped increase the production of interleukins 6 and 8 (IL-6, IL-8) and tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-α). All of which have been shown to have pro-inflammatory properties in fighting infection (2,3).
One study (Barak 2002) also demonstrated that an extract of black elderberry increased the production of the anti-inflammatory cytokine Il-10.
We all need the hospital at one point or another in our lives and the people that do the job deserve a respectable wage.
Well my dad left the hospital with black heels and MRSA - neither of which he had when he went so I disagree.
Ryan. We would have expected a detailed medical analysis of Tamiflu by now. A great opportunity to show the world your ability to GOOGLE!!
"The parable of the wise and the foolish virgins springs to mind."
Is this another measure to cut the cost of vaccinating our young women against cervical cancer or HPV.
As Jersey only provides vaccination to a small age group and doesn't bother with a catch up, this could be a good plan.
Angry mum of 15 year old
>>I don't doubt it and that is why there is such a thing called business planning and disease monitoring.
None of which happens in the health department<<
Should this be construed as a plea for Health to recruit some more administrators to facilitate these activities?
>>an ailing service which ... lacks standards<<
Getting rid of most of the senior management team and governance board doesn't seem an obvious route to raising standards- or improving business planning come to that.
Sadly, some commentators here are amply demonstrating how easy it is to intemperately criticise the running of a complex organisation when starting from a position of almost complete ignorance unmitigated by any modicum of rational analysis.
Doubtless you 'benefited' from endless advice of this nature when you were Minister. Personally, I'm very glad none of these hare-brained individuals have anything to do with the running of our health service.
Who is now in posesion of those 65 children's teeth, or have they conveniently been mislaid, lost, or destroyed?
Can they by demand be handed back to whoever, for further inspection?
Questions need to be asked.
H&SS is reported to be negotiating a reciprocal health agreement with the Isle of Man, Gibraltar and Guernsey. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/guernsey/8076036.stm
Commendable and farsighted as this idea may be, is it not time to do some fence mending with the Health wallahs in London?
Apart from traffic between Jersey and Guernsey, I would think that more crapauds travel to the UK than the other two destinations.
Jersey needs a reciprocal health agreement with the UK.
""The parable of the wise and the foolish virgins springs to mind."
Is this another measure to cut the cost of vaccinating our young women against cervical cancer or HPV.
As Jersey only provides vaccination to a small age group and doesn't bother with a catch up, this could be a good plan.
Angry mum of 15 year old"
Dear Madam,
I suggest you read your Bible. The story can be found in Matthew, chapter 25, verses 1-13.
The HPV Vaccine debate will run and run and the main benificiaries will be the multi-national pharmaceutical companies. Parents and kids need to be better informed to make informed decisions.
In an ideal world kids would delay having sex as a young cervix is more liable to damage and infection; the use of condoms is highly effective in preventing the spread of HPV and other infections.
In most (not all) cases, the screening programme for cervical cancer is very good.
The incidence of cervical cancer is not huge and if diagnosed early, most (not all) can be effectively treated and cured with minimaly invasive proceedures.
Of course there are exceptions to all rules and we still hear of the tragic loss of young women to this awful disease.
But I do question the science behind this hugely expensive vacination programme.
Elderberry is packed with vitamine C, the flowers and berries are extremely tasty and the wood can be hollowed out to make musical instruments. (a carpentry tip for you Stu)
Whether it cures the flu I don't know but it ain't bad to have all the Vit C flowing through you...
I don't have time to examine all of the references to Elderberry vs Tamiflu.
But I will make a few observations.
Certain natural remedies can, indeed, be affective as treatment for certain illnesses.
And, indeed, a healthy diet which naturally contains many beneficial natural nutrients is fundamental to good health.
But those facts do not translate into "natural products = good. Man-made products = bad."
It is certainly true that some drug products prove to be dangerous or largely ineffective. But many, many others are effective and of tremendous, often life-saving, benefit to people.
Some drugs will have problematic, or even harmful, side-effects. But the judgment the patient and the doctor make is that, in their specific case, the benefit of being treated with the drug outweighs the down-side of side-effects or risks.
I'm quite concerned at some of the web-sites that have been referred to me by different commentators.
Most of them, in my assessment, amount to nothing more than the peddling of quackery. But it's worse than that. Some of these site are actually making assertions that are, frankly, dangerous.
For example - I've seen some sites which assert that the 'flu pandemic is just some foul plot dreamt-up by those nasty drug companies, and really, it's nothing to get worried about.'
That kind of message is dangerous garbage.
Influenza pandemics area natural phenomena - and their occurence and re-occurrence are an inescapable reality.
Even if the present swine-flu outbreak doesn't reach disastrous proportions - sooner or later a flu pandemic will.
And as imperfect as medicines might be - we are, belive me, going to need them.
Stuart
Stuart, you are obviously taking a backsheesh from Glaxo!
Re the prosecution of two non-oligarchy members of the Jersey legislature:
There were at least 160 people who came forward to complain about systematic child abuse at Haut de la Garenne. If the Jersey judiciary can deal with election "fraud" (which seems less and less like fraud and more like naivity the more I find out obout it) in such a speedy way, how come it cannot deal with child abusers with the same promptness?
Of course, this is only a rhetorical question, and I already know the answer to it, as I think we all understand perfectly well by now how the system works.
I get so bloody livid about all of this, but I use aromatherapy to calm me down, I have got some sandalwood and orange oil for my oil burner, I was thinking of you and your woodwork, don't know if you ever work with sandalwood, but the beautiful aroma is very soothing for anger related stress. Stuart, I don't know if you like doing small detailed work, but a hand carved chess set in sandalwood might be a nice project, chess is getting popular again in schools. I don't do woodwork, but I play my musical instruments, woodwind and strings. Otherwise I think I would have gone mad years ago, because of the barking mad system which rewards abusers and punishes their victims and those who try to help them.
"Freedom of Information Act, Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary and a dependable defender of the status quo in every sphere, is opposing the application. He believes that judges' misbehaviour should remain a private matter."
Yes, old Jack Straw likes secrecy, doesn't he?
Another one who loves judicial secrecy is Lord (Charlie) Falconer, Tony B.Liar's old flatmate. He is the one who decided to keep the secret family courts secret in 2006, when he was first Secretary of State for Justice (and Lord Chancellor). I did write to him and point out that the government consultation document which influenced this decision was tainted by the inclusion of a theory which had been invented by an American psychologist, who openly promoted paedophilia as a lifestyle choice. Funny thing, could be coincidental, but after I wrote to the Prime Minister (B. Liar) and sent him a copy of the letter I sent to Lord Falconer, plus the reply I recieved, he stopped being the Prime Minister, and let Gordon Brown take over, and Gordon Brown decided that he didn't want Lord Falconer in that role any more, and replaced him with Jack Straw.
Another coincidence, is that Lord Falconer then went on to a new job he had lined up, at US law firm Gibson Dunn & Crutcher as a senior counsel. The queer thing about that is that Gibson Dunn & Crutcher won an award from the North American Council on Adoptable Children, for faciliating the adoptive process of thousands of children. With the secret family courts nasty habit of taking children from the families of people who have suffered child abuse, labelling them with MSBP in secret kangeroo courts - the very courts which Falconer wanted to keep journalists and members of the public away from - and forcably adopting these children, just in case their parents abuse them, I think it is pretty clear to anyone why they were so keen to have Falconer amongst their ranks!
So, you see, there's one or two people in high office who positivly crave judicial secrecy, and it is fascinating to delve into the reasons why that may be so.
Bribes from Glaxo?
If only.
I might then have been able to afford to pay for some legal representation.
But, hell - if I'd taken bribes from Glaxo - I wouldn't be needing legal representation!
Because taking kick-backs as a Jersey politician - "is not a criminal offence"! (c. Dave Minty.)
Supposedly.
You see - that's what my big mistake has been all along.
If only I had taken a shed load of bribes - as opposed to allegedly breaking the data protection law in order to expose child abusers and mass-murderers - why, I wouldn't have attracted the attentions of Barking Bill and Wierdcop in the first place!
But, foolishly, I got it all wrong - so was subjected to a 10-man police raid, the turning over of my home - without a search warrant - and 7 hours locked up in the nick.
If only I had stuck to The Jersey Way - and contented myself with a bit of graft - I wouldn't now be in this predicament.
And I wouldn't be stony broke.
In fact - look, I've had enough of this.
I want to change sides.
Jersey oligarchy - establish the customary arrangement of a BVI Trust Fund and set me as the beneficiary to receive £250,000 a year - index linked - for the rest of my life - and I'll come over to your side.
OK? Do we have a deal?
It's not as though the arrangement will be at all unfamiliar to the Jersey oligarchy.
Even the BVI leak.
You couldn't have expected to keep it completely secret forever?
Just deal me in - and I will stop being a pain in the neck. I too will suddenly realise that re-zoning vast tracts of our green countryside - ahead of the development a a new Island Plan - actually makes perfect sense.
I will suddenly see that, actually, chucking 100s of 1000s of tonnes of toxic incinerator ash into Jersey's marine environment is quite sensible.
And I too - will join in with main-stream States of Jersey thinking - and recognise that lying to the electorate - then breaking your manifesto pledges within months of getting elected - is perfectly respectable conduct.
Come on guys - get those arrangements set up. £250,000 a year is walking around money for most of you; I'm offering you a real good deal here.
Stuart
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